To be depressed and angry that sex offenders will be able to “change gender”

[Ramblingnamechanger]

Following last nights vote by MSPs to reject an amendment to forbid sex offenders from accessing easier access to a GRC, it seems that womens rights to privacy and decency , same sex care , etc is not important. They are still to vote on the whole bill but until the legalities are clearer, surely this cannot be acceptable?

I’m sorry to ask so many questions. I just find this baffling and a bit mind blowing tbh!
I have read stuff on the feminist board before but I didn’t know it was heading to this.

I feel like I know nothing so learning a lot from your questions.

Will people from England be able to travel to Scotland to get a GRC? Is there a residency requirement?

Pleased MNHQ moved this back. It's important that people realise what's happenning.

Ok last question!!
What are the reasons for allowing this to go through? Who does it benefit? I don’t get why any sex attacker should get luxuries tbh. I guess I think that changing your identity name etc is a luxury really.
I couldn’t imagine any men wanting to change their BC to female in Afghanistan!?!? (Sorry if that is offensive to say.)

The reason for doing it is that it's what some men want and women have been suckered into the narrative that it's very important for the most marginalised to have this so they have to be kind and shut their women faces.

All parents need to be aware of this stuff. Just take a look at the teenage / parenting boards on here to see the number of parents struggling with their children suddenly deciding the've been born in the wrong body, need to change sex, access drugs and surgery. It's mass social contagion with young lesbians / those on the autistic spectrum and vulnerable being deliberately targeted.
Scotland is particularly bad for schools transitioning children behind their parent's backs and this bill will enshrine this sinister practice in law.

Please sign this petition 💚🤍💜

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Why would the school transition a child behind their parents back? Surely it would be best to inform the parent if their child is distressed about their sex? Madness! That’s got to be a safeguarding thing?

When I think about it, as a teenager I didn’t tell my parents lots of things, but probably should have.
If my son was wanting to use women’s or girls places then I think I would tell them off!!

Yes that's exactly what it means and as MrsOvertonsWindow points out it is a loophole which started with the GRA 2004 but at least we don't have self ID in law yet.

I think that if you're on the sex offenders list you're legally obliged to inform the police if you change your name and what address you're living at etc (obviously open to abuse)

Why would we it take on trust from people like this? It is literal insanity. Wtf is going on?

You're correct. If parents don't know critical things about their children they can't protect them Unfortunately trans activists have been able to persuade organisations that parents are a potential threat to their children and may be "phobic" and that strangers are better at supporting children in these circumstances
What these activists don't realise is that this argument is precisely the same line that predators use when grooming children to alienate them from their parents. Which is why the law is clear that only the courts can remove parental responsibilities and parents retain their rights, even when children are in the care of the state. Yet trans lobby groups have managed to persuade so many that this group of "special" children should be exempt from fundamental safeguarding good practice.
It's so very dangerous.

That's scary

I doubt it unless you know Sarah's previous names to search for.

WRT keeping the police up to date with your details I think this article shows that criminals are somewhat less than honest or reliable, not really a shocker but when the shit hits the fan just watch all the MSP's who voted for this insanity pretend they couldn't have predicted it.

They have been warned by countless women's campaigners and the UN FFS.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/13000-suspected-and-convicted-criminals-on-run-after-skipping-bail

The reasons for this going through are simple. The bonkers Scottish Green Party see this as their number 1 policy. The SNP went into coalition with the Greens as no other party with MSPs are bonkers enough to think that an independent Scotland is a good idea. They need the greens to help them get legislation through, and the price of that help is pushing this legislation through, even though the SNP must know it is bonkers too. They don’t care. It’s all Indy, Indy, Indy. That’s all that matters to them.

So the 9% … why do you think my feelings and observations are unreasonable?

It is worth remembering what, globally, the Green Party supported in the past.

This is horrifying

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles

Is there a non-paywalled access to that article?

I guess Ramblingnamechanger that for any big issue there'll be some who will go with a tribal group view no matter what the evidence is. Some people prefer to outsource their thinking rather than to risk coming to a view that could see them go against the group. They want to feel comfortable in a "safe place".

The GRA 2004 was the UK govt's solution to the human rights issues raised in a case called Goodwin. The ECtHR ruled that it was unlawful to prevent trans people from marrying someone of the same sex, or for public authorities to carelessly bandy about their private info.

Falsification of birth certificates was never a human right in itself, it was a dodgy solution to these challenges that allowed our homophobic government to avoid having to legalise same sex marriage.

We have equal marriage now and everyone's private info is adequately protected by GDPR. There is no justification for trans people (and nobody else) to have the kind of extreme data protection that is otherwise only seen in witness protection programmes.

So the GRA is obsolete.

The Scottish parliament is not reforming the GRA, it is seeking to repurpose it for a whole different, much larger group of people.

Thread about a petition to repeal the GRA. (I signed this as well as the one linked upthread)

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4688427-repeal-the-gra

The article can be found in this link archive.vn/v88RS Britinme.

These are some tweets from October 2021, from a woman who works/worked at a trans rights charity.

The salient point is that supporters of this bill, and other bills like it, see changing one's identity as a human right.

@nauticant - thank you :-)

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Well those tweets are quite illuminating. Refusing to give someone a falsified birth certificate is the equivalent of torturing someone.

Are there any other civil rights movements which campaigned for falsified legal documents?