To be depressed and angry that sex offenders will be able to “change gender”

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Following last nights vote by MSPs to reject an amendment to forbid sex offenders from accessing easier access to a GRC, it seems that womens rights to privacy and decency , same sex care , etc is not important. They are still to vote on the whole bill but until the legalities are clearer, surely this cannot be acceptable?

All I know is that some men will stop at nothing to get what they want. Note that I am not saying people who have gender dysphoria.
Have the MSPs actually ever spoken to a woman or representatives from orgs like Women’s Aid?

@Lockheart the bill will pass. I mean FFS a majority voted to allow sex offenders feelings to be prioritised over female safety. There's no way it's going to be voted down.

The fall out will not be contained in Scotland.

www.womensrights.network/post/coming-soon-to-a-childrens-playground-near-you

That’s deeply disturbing. It brings to mind how being presented with that kind of incongruence impairs our cognition, e.g. the Stroop test. To expect that of a witness giving evidence under oath is disgraceful.

Are we ok to link the petition thread here? 🤞

I understand why you made the note about gender dysphoria, but I'm not aware of any reason to think that it makes any difference to the nature of offending if the offender has that condition.

Is a sex offender who was born male but then changes their gender to be seen as legally a woman in Scotland, can they use that in England or Wales or any other country too?

I know it's a slightly different petition but hopefully stops this lunacy spreading further....

YANBU. It’s a disgrace.

Why don't they just update the register with all the names that person has used. And who pays for all this?

I just meant male sex offenders including male sex offenders who want to identify as women.
This is so confusing. Why does spelling something out seem so hard these days?
I’m usually good at getting to the point. This is a mess.

You mean they might be a different gender depending where they go?

Here's something you can do right now. Sign and share.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex

Seriously, anyone who has not read this, remedy that and # click.
let me give you a compelling reason why this rush by the Scottish Government towards easily-obtained GRCs has serious implications for each and every one of us living in the UK.

Quite simply, it presents a wholly foreseeable threat to public protection. Wherever we live in the UK, we will pay the price. Let me explain.

Protecting the public was my legal responsibility for nearly 28 years. I served in English prisons first as a prison officer and thereafter rising through the grades to mid-ranking prison governor. Dealing with recidivists and risk assessing their potential for further offending was my bread and butter.

In March 2021, HM Prison Service introduced a new risk predictor tool known as OSP (OASys Sexual reoffending Predictor) to assess all adult male prisoners in England and Wales who were convicted of a current or previous sexual or sexually motivated offence. It proved to be rather more accurate than all previous processes used to predict a male sex offender’s likelihood of future offending and it enabled prisons and the Probation Service to tailor the management of these higher risk offenders more effectively both during custody and after release.

The reason why OSP is exclusively a risk predictor tool for men and why it cannot - and is not - used for women is because female sex offenders (statistically a vanishingly small group indeed) have vastly different motivations and patterns of offending. They have their own risk assessment process, an exclusively female-centred one.

I think you know where I am going with this.

OSP is not used for male sex offenders who have GRCs. They are automatically excluded because their legal sex is female. Instead, the risk assessment process for biologically female sex offenders is used, even though it is completely invalid for male-pattern sex offending and useless at predicting their future risk.

Yes or even can someone legally change their ‘sex’ in Scotland but would have to ‘revert back’ when they cross the boarder to England?
It’s a bit confusing.

Because they will be housed in female prisons with vulnerable women. Oh and when they get out and reoffend, that will go down month stats as a female sex crime.

Thank you for sharing link. I will be writing to my MP in the morning.

Everyone else on this post - please click the above link and read this very informative and petrifying article.

Yes, please sign and share - need to get to 100k to get it debated 🙏

I don't understand what's happening I thought they got a certificate to prove they were a different gender

You get a new birth certificate with your GRC, once that happens you're entire history becomes disconnected from your current identity, be that health or criminal, unless you decide to disclose it. A GRC administratively creates a whole new person.

So if the crime was committed by a male who then applied for a GRC to be recognised as female the stat would be that a woman was convicted. What if they changed their mind when they came out of prison? Would that stat still be for a female even though they didn’t want to be seen as a woman anymore?

Unless we effectively campaign against it, yes. Just as marriage certificates from Scotland means you are legally married in the rest of the UK. Even if the marriage contract is made between two 16 year olds who wouldn't have been legally able to get married in England, it's still valid down here.

www.womensrights.network/post/coming-soon-to-a-childrens-playground-near-you

Oh! So they could be faking to try and cover? Does that mean it won't show up on DBS check?

I think that if you're on the sex offenders list you're legally obliged to inform the police if you change your name and what address you're living at etc (obviously open to abuse) but what if you're not on a registry but you're still a danger for example if I go to the police about my partner Sarah Smith and ask under Clare's law will the police know that Sarah used to be Simon and beat his previous partner?

Even the DBS system designed to weed out predators wanting to work with children makes exceptions for trans people. It relies on them to report previous name changes via a secret route, rather than insist that the follow the same bureaucratic requirements to honestly disclose their history that every other adult must follow.