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ClassSize2022 · 20/07/2022 05:11

Should not have been in the ladies changing room? Especially if naked from the waist down.

I can imagine being very frightened in this situation as a biological woman having to share a changing room with a man.

NHS transgender worker wins payout after boss asked about underwear

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3e15f7c2-0779-11ed-a986-fc91b4ad48f0?shareToken=b22ada0c3a8e04d703e4eb229fb47802

transgender worker wins payout after boss asked about underwear www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3e15f7c2-0779-11ed-a986-fc91b4ad48f0?shareToken=b22ada0c3a8e04d703e4eb229fb47802 Times article

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Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 23/07/2022 09:32

Snoopsnoggysnog · 23/07/2022 06:23

During a work Pride event thing I learned that the terms transvestite and transsexual aren’t used any more and are frowned upon.

so I think everyone’s called transgender now and that could be someone who’s had surgery or someone who just wants to live as a woman?

Many of the transsexual women I know of (online), refer to themselves as transsexuals and as male. They are quite clear in their desire to be set apart from non-binary males and transwomen.
They advocate for third spaces because they are uncomfortable in male only spaces but also recognise that women are equally uncomfortable if they are in female spaces. I’ve seen them receive horrible abuse from TRAs because they delegitimise TRA support of self-ID. They call them “truscum”
I’ll continue to refer to them as transsexual as that it what they prefer and the respect is reciprocated in their support for female only spaces.
Stonewall and Pride clearly want any distinctions between groups of people to magically disappear. But with that will go our legal protections.
Anyone can now identify as “queer”
Anyone can be a woman.
Anyone can be transgender.

None of these words have a definition anymore which means these once vulnerable groups, can no longer have distinct legal protections.

I wonder what their end goal is?

GertrudeKerfuffle · 23/07/2022 10:17

Yes it's interesting @Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime that The TRA idea that people can identify how they wish only seems to apply to some people. Why is it not ok to identify as transsexual in that case? Acceptance without exception my arse.

How do people accept the blatant doublethink without question?

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 23/07/2022 10:20

GertrudeKerfuffle · 23/07/2022 10:17

Yes it's interesting @Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime that The TRA idea that people can identify how they wish only seems to apply to some people. Why is it not ok to identify as transsexual in that case? Acceptance without exception my arse.

How do people accept the blatant doublethink without question?

I’m betting because there is a very clear distinction (bottoms surgery) and in their mind it might create a scale where you can be more (or less) trans.

Conflictedunicorn · 23/07/2022 10:25

But unless we inspected people’s bottom areas how would people know apparently? It’s like no one can tell the difference between male and female apart from genitals. Although I admire their commitment to the ideology, they are still male and do not belong in female spaces. My time of being kind is well and truly over.

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 23/07/2022 11:18

Conflictedunicorn · 23/07/2022 10:25

But unless we inspected people’s bottom areas how would people know apparently? It’s like no one can tell the difference between male and female apart from genitals. Although I admire their commitment to the ideology, they are still male and do not belong in female spaces. My time of being kind is well and truly over.

Many of them agree with you

WillMcAvoy · 23/07/2022 11:43

Conflictedunicorn · 23/07/2022 10:25

But unless we inspected people’s bottom areas how would people know apparently? It’s like no one can tell the difference between male and female apart from genitals. Although I admire their commitment to the ideology, they are still male and do not belong in female spaces. My time of being kind is well and truly over.

Genitals don't matter, apparently. Lady dicks are a thing, women have penises now, haven't you heard?

I think I might start to identify as a transwoman instead of a woman, then everyone will have to fawn over my every word and I can do whatever I want

Conflictedunicorn · 23/07/2022 11:44

that is an excellent plan! I mean if transwomen can be women then surely women can be transwomen. I think I’ll join you.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 23/07/2022 11:56

Conflictedunicorn · 23/07/2022 11:44

that is an excellent plan! I mean if transwomen can be women then surely women can be transwomen. I think I’ll join you.

Well transwomen are women so women are Transwomen it all makes perfect sense! (Sarcasm if you couldn't tell)

It could make for some very interesting circular discussions though.

Conflictedunicorn · 23/07/2022 13:41

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 23/07/2022 11:56

Well transwomen are women so women are Transwomen it all makes perfect sense! (Sarcasm if you couldn't tell)

It could make for some very interesting circular discussions though.

Can you imagine if we all identified as TW and went to TW groups and made them talk about periods, childbirth, the menopause and banned all talk of transitioning, penises, facial hair removal etc as it was ‘triggering’. Wonder how fast they’d suddenly want TW only spaces but found they couldn’t because I of the rules they themselves had made.

Snoopsnoggysnog · 23/07/2022 15:50

Ah my head’s starting to hurt! Grin

thanks for that insight, @Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime that’s helpful

WeAreOnTheRoadToNowhere · 23/07/2022 17:52

The different groups have to be merged to hide the AGPs

FannyCann · 23/07/2022 21:20

Late to the thread so I apologise if others have posted details of Transgender Staff Support policies but I have just found this one.

Toilets and changing facilities? Trans individuals must be supported to use all facilities designated for their acquired gender.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/869787/response/2075170/attach/16/Transgender%20Staff%20Support%20Policy.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

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FannyCann · 23/07/2022 21:27

That FOI also includes a Caring for Trans Patients policy, which can be summed up as:

At all times and wherever possible decisions should be made according to the wishes of the (transgender) patient...

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