Prince Andrew

[Tevion28]

Do you think guilty or innocent

Prince Andrew is one of the members of the Royal Family who will be honoured with a Platinum Jubilee medal from the Queen in 2022

TBF there's nothing at all significant about this one - like the Silver and Golden Jubilee equivalents they're handed out like confetti

Personally I'm more disgusted about the Queen handing him the Knight Grand Cross when the Epstein criticism really hit the headlines - also about the Lady of the Garter just handed to Camilla

I am always struck by this photo. And yes it is real.

Tevion28 your victim blaming is atrocious, I’ve reported several of your posts. You should be ashamed of yourself.

@cleocleo81 your fil is a knob and I’d be keeping my children away from him if this is how he thinks.

LizzieSiddal
Okay

I wonder what would have happened if she had said no. If she'd walked away? Why couldn't she walk away?

No money? no where to live? no body to turn to? shame?

I think the goal would have been to target people in desperate situations and offer them something slightly better, even if that was just apparent friendship. That is often how con artists work.

What is the victims background did she have a family to turn to

Did she have a secure stable upbringing

@RoyalFamilyFan

I am always struck by this photo. And yes it is real.

Charles was close enough to Savile to enjoy private dinners at his home and ask him for marriage guidance.

He must be very relieved at the furore round Andrew's dodgy friends.

I am not concerned about the victim's backgrounds, bit about the rapists and sexual abusers.

Why don't you ask if Prince Andrew's upbringing made him vulnerable to be being a rapist?

I don’t know if he is guilty or not that will be for a court to decide, however I do think that his attitude during the infamous interview was appalling and his behaviour is reprehensible.

CaveMum - I can believe that without seeing that photograph he wouldn't remember VG, he must have had thousands of photos taken of him over the years with various men and women. But I think once he saw it he would have remembered her.

Do I think he had sex with VG, yes, do I think he is a paedophile, no. There is no evidence of him being associated with anyone under the age of 16.

No idea but I want justice to happen. Stand trial by video link from the US embassy would do for me.

Considering he claimed as a defence that he didn't really know Epstein very well and Epstein was at various parties/shooting nonsense etc because Andrew was friends with Ghislaine, he's rather shot himself in the foot now that Ghislaine has been found guilty.
I hope they throw the book at him - he's a disgusting creature, but of course they won't.

(Charles) must be very relieved at the furore round Andrew's dodgy friends

Indeed
And yes, I recall the "car photo" with Savile very well, perhaps the worst aspect being the "Look who I bagged!!" smirk all over the pervert's face

Strange, isn't it, that we're invited to believe Charles is a man of utter principle and dedicated to his research, only to find it flipped to "He couldn't have known" when it suits - and that's not even taking into consideration the access to information he enjoys

I wonder what would have happened if she had said no. If she'd walked away? Why couldn't she walk away?

Because this is what grooming is about with girls who are leaving awful personal circumstances or coming from other countries without any kind of support. It's engaging minors in prostitution because they are lost and have no support.

My FIL stated over Christmas that although he doesn't condone what went on he doesn't think the girls are innocent themselves.

Your FIL as too often with men, prefers to blame minor girls instead of looking at their role in sexual abuse. The justifications are well known "she wanted it" "she dressed like she wanted me", "girls are not innocent", "if it bleeds, it's good to prick"

Yuck

@Tevion28

Did she have a secure stable upbringing

You are asking questions none of us can answer.

Did she have a secure stable upbringing

Why?

My FIL stated over Christmas that although he doesn't condone what went on he doesn't think the girls are innocent themselves.

Did you point out he’s talking about teenagers here being raped by men, mostly in their late 30s/40s?

How many people on MN condone/watch porn?

However Andrew would have mixed entirely with royal/aristocratic/global rich types. In what situation would he ever come across poor girls from the projects on an equal social footing? Literally never.

How would he know her background? I doubt they soul shared over a long, romantic dinner. He undoubtedly saw her as just another young, attractive woman happy to have sex with him.

How many people on MN condone/watch porn?

Well, every single man in the UK, according to many on MN
Although I personally know many who don’t watch or condone porn as they can’t get their rocks off whilst watching potentially trafficked young women being raped on screen.

Prince Andrew has made an “unprecedented” request for all witness testimony in the sexual abuse case of trafficked teenagers to be kept secret.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/prince-andrew-makes-unprecedented-request-for-evidence-in-sex-abuse-case-to-be-kept-secret/ar-AASfCyA?ocid=msedgntp&

Guilty as sin.
Put him in the bin.