To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

pursuing business opportunities dare I ask exactly what you’re planning on selling to a populace suddenly realising they’re short on food? How much profit are you planning on making out of us?

I’m sorry to be targeting you in my questions btw, but you presented yourself. This is the question I’m asking every person in favour of leave - how is this going to work?

I get as much of an answer as I have from you.

The usual remainer barb- leavers were too stupid and thick and shouldn’t have a vote.

Same as always.

Bercows I wonder if all the expats will be moving back to live in their voted for utopia come November?

Sure will; my movers will be unloading my stuff in Cornwall in the third week in October, having done the best part of 13 years around Brussels with dh's jobs. I am looking forward to coming home and getting on with my life, and living somewhere where the bureaucracy makes sense, we have a government and there is no priority from the right.

If you don't like it, then maybe educate yourself a wee bit and stop spewing said shite, eh?

Just a thought.

there is no priority from the right

Is that a serious comment? The right and the far right have dominated politics for the last however long, and are going to have full control post Brexit.

Do you honestly, genuinely believe otherwise?

bellinsurge Interesting you concentrate on the ice cubes and make no comment about the rest of the post.

@scaryteacher where will the funding come from now for projects like these?

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/exactly-what-eu-funded-cornwall-2697596.amp

@soapona

I voted leave and I vote vote leave and no deal.

Now you’re just lying. No deal was never offered as an option by the leave campaign. This is because they knew how damaging it would be. They were offering a shiny new deal which, not only would be great for everyone but would be the easiest deal to make in history. Why are leavers not up in arms that they were sold a lie? Do you seriously not care or you want to be right so much that you are just ignoring the elephant in the room?

The mental gymnastics on display now by leavers to self-justify is nothing short of amazing. Talk about moving the goal posts.

Personally I wanted no deal all along. Clean break.

@KidLorneRoll...you said...."but it's all okay because now we can choose the shape of our bananas and all the expats and pensioners who voted for it won't be effected."
WRONG...I am an expat and a pensioner and I AM effected by it. Never the less and even the fact that I voted remain, unlike you and a lot of remainers on here I respect democracy. The arguments, facts, doom and gloomer predictions, positive predictions, it will be okay posts , are ALL IRRELEVANT. The fact is we had a free and democratic one time vote. We voted out, like it or not we are leaving at the end of November. The consequences of that democratic vote (and please don't come back and say it wasn't democratic) are our responsibility to deal with it in the best way we can. It will take time, and initially it will cause problems, we just have to pull together and ruddy well get on with it. That's how our democracy works. If we start to go against it because we don't like, or want that result, we are venturing into very dangerous ground. Instead of both sides arguing about the consequences good and bad, maybe we could use that energy to create new opportunities for our Country. We fought and survived two world wars for freedom to have a democracy, which some now seek to overturn. In my mind this is treachery. I didn't like or want to leave, but we are, and I respect that because I do not want my Country to become a Country that is undemocratic even if that means things could get rough in the meantime.

@Pensionista how are you affected if you don't mind me asking?

One of the brexit fools is all over Twitter, suggesting chambermaids can easily be trained to fill all the nursing vacancies post brexit. Where have all these people been hiding?

Pensionista is right. The refusal to accept the democratic mandate in parliament is what has caused unnecessary issues and now a last minute no deal with scrambling for temporary /interim solutions and mini deals post brexit.

@Pensionista

I'm not sure who is seeking to overturn democracy.

A referendum is one version of democracy. A representative parliament is another version of democracy. Historically we have been a representative democracy first and foremost. And we have sought to try and crow bar a referendum into this system with what turned out to be limited success.

But it is now up to our representative democracy to democratically enact the result of this referendum. Something which has proven impossible to do so far (and it should be noted that the reason Theresa May's deal failed was as much because of people who wanted to leave the EU as because of people who didn't). So how do you propose we democratically solve this? One way would be to have another referendum which puts options to people (e.g. revoke article 50, leave with whatever deal we can get, leave with no deal). That would presumably not be undemocratic? And the government can promise to enact whichever one wins?

Isn't it curious that people who witter on endlessly about democracy have no answer to brexit directly overruling the GFA (democratically and overwhelmingly voted for) beyond whining "but we want Brexit".

What right does the UK government have to rip up the GFA, once again prioritising its own wants over what is best for NI and Ireland?

One of the brexit fools is all over Twitter, suggesting chambermaids can easily be trained to fill all the nursing vacancies post brexit.

Well those two jobs are exactly the same, aren't they? And of course all of the chambermaids want to be nurses and none of the hotels will mind suddenly losing loads of their staff.

The GFA will stand and all parties - Irish l, British and European politicians- have explicitly, repeatedly committed to no borders in Ireland and NI whether a no deal Brexit or not.

That’s a fact.

To say otherwise is more hysteria.

And you can’t have a no deal Brexit without a border.

That’s a fact. An irrefutable one.

So how does no border work when NI is out of the EU?
You really don't have the first clue do you?

HPT9000 sigh.....I don't want another freakin referendum, I don't care about the questions on another freakin referendum. I want the initial referendum to be initiated. The fact that our Parliament has failed to do that, and those MP's that have thwarted this at every turn is a national disgrace. They had the gall to go against a fair and democratic vote because they thought they knew better and did not like or want the result they got, which by the way should not have been initiated by that rat Cameron in the first place without due thought and consideration for the aftermath. It has caused us as a Country to fight with each other. It continues for us as a Country to be at each others throats. THAT dear HPT9000 is why I want the referendum respected and done and dusted, then we can begin to clean up the shite that this has caused. We can't keep having referendums until we get the result we want. If I voted Conservative in a general election and the scaby laborites won, I can't then say, I don't like, want, this, they will ruin the Country, I have to wait 4 years for another chance to change things. That's democracy. We ALL knew this was a ONE TIME vote, so to suggest another one at this stage (so much time wasted already in futile arguments ) is completely barmy and much more importantly UN FUCKING DEMOCRATIC.

I have to wait 4 years for another chance to change things. That's democracy

Then by your flawed logic we should run the vote again next year.

Wow, let's hope pensionistas BP medication supply isn't affected.

That’s a fact

Only it's not, is it? Otherwise the Irish border would never have been an issue in the first place would it?

The GFA and No Deal brexit cannot coexist, so which one takes priority? Because they cannot work side by side.

I know you don't understand that Janista but for those of us who actually do, it's not a good prospect.

Your "fact" is bullshit, much like pretty much everything else you've confidently stated as fact.

@Janista with your expert knowledge so far away, you would know that WTO rules require you to have control of your economic area. For us, that's tbe UK post Brexit. For the EU, that's at any external border.
Doesn't have to be a hard physical border but it has to be something. Right now we have the technology to almost do it without any physical indication of a border but not quite. An NI only backstop would give us the time to work out tbe technology because IT DOESN'T EXIST YET.
In short, you know fuck all.

I voted Leave in the first 1975 referendum held by Harold Wilson and have felt very strongly about leaving ever since. I welcome a NO Deal exit, which will just be a starting point for trade discussions anyway. The majority of the world do not belong to the EU and operate under WTO terms and they do just fine.

Anyway, Liam Fox has already negotiated continued Free Trade Arrangements with a lot of the countries who had the same deal with the EU so nothing will change there. Yes, it appears the EU is willing to give a free trade deal to countries like S Korea, Israel and Mexico for example, but not to us , apparently, even though the UK already has fully regulated alignment with all their rules and regulations. As they say, with friends like this, who needs enemies!.

Theresa May didn't actually have a deal either; it was just a transitional period while a trading deal was discussed. Well, if the negotiators hadn't been able to sort that out in the last 3 years, there was no hope of the EU ever agreeing to one after we'd signed to pay them £39billion, let their courts continue to rule over us, still not got our fishing areas back or be able to enter into any new Trade Deals with other countries, as well as other continued commitments like a combined army and future economic bail outs. The EU even claim the Irish backstop was added at May's insistence!!!

That's why the ERG led by Jacob Rees-Mogg and others like Nigel Farage couldn't support May's deal because they knew it was a sell-out and not really Brexit. People say that those who voted Leave are stupid but, in my experience, I have found those who voted Remain to be the lesser informed.