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To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

703 replies

TheoriginalLEM · 02/08/2019 07:31

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

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Venger · 03/08/2019 13:58

I wouldn't worry too much about Janista's "opinion", she's unpleasant on every thread she's on.

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 14:00

Bercows. The exchange rates, uncertainty with investments, Value of savings and pensions. Does that answer your question?

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 14:00

Pensionista 4 countries, not a single country. Two of which voted overwhelmingly to Remain. Their MPs have quite rightly stood with the will of their constituents and blocked Brexit as far as they can.

UK is not England. It is a union of 4 nations, two voted to Leave, two voted to Remain.

Venger · 03/08/2019 14:00

Nigel Farage couldn't support May's deal

Thankfully Nigel "cunt face" Farage doesn't get a say on any deal as he's not an MP.

HPT9000 · 03/08/2019 14:02

@Pensionista

But if our representative democracy cannot find a solution which works, what then? Its all very well saying that parliament should respect the referendum. And it did that by voting to enact article 50. However it cannot seem to find a solution which satisfies even 50% of it as to how to actually leave the EU. So what should it do? Its all very well saying that it should just accept no deal but why? Why shouldn't it just accept the withdrawal agreement that has been negotiated (and is a far better outcome for the UK/EU than no deal would be).

SistemaAddict · 03/08/2019 14:02

So will all these things improve for you from the 1st November Pensionista?

Venger · 03/08/2019 14:03

UK is not England. It is a union of 4 nations, two voted to Leave, two voted to Remain.

And of the overall popular, only 52% voted to Leave. That is not everyone. It is only just over half. It was enough to 'win' the referendum but that other half of the population still lives here, they still matter, and their concerns should still be listened to.

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 14:04

@Venger.... What part of we were all told this was a one time vote didn't you get ???

Skinnychip · 03/08/2019 14:05

I voted remain but i feel like all the time brexit is lingering other important issues are either being ignored or policies changed behind closed doors while the only thing being reported on is brexit......

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 14:06

It is only just over half. It was enough to 'win' the referendum but that other half of the population still lives here, they still matter, and their concerns should still be listened to.

Never said they shouldn't, but given the majority treat UK/England as the same thing and refer to 4 countries as 1 I felt it needed pointing out for the thousandth time

I've defended English and Welsh remain voters, consistently.

I don't hear the same in return for Scots/NIrish remain voters.

Deafening silence in fact.

HPT9000 · 03/08/2019 14:07

@Pensionista

What happens if we still haven't left in a couple of years and through demographics alone there would be a majority to remain. Should we still tell the millions of people of voting age who never got to vote in the initial referendum that it was a once in a lifetime vote and bad luck, they didn't get a say in something that will affect them?

Venger · 03/08/2019 14:08

Never said they shouldn't

I was actually agreeing with your post.

bellinisurge · 03/08/2019 14:08

@Pensionista what part of "NI to be a special economic area and the border in the sea " isn't a Brexit that works for you.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 14:09

I was actually agreeing with your post.

Sorry I misunderstood.

jasjas1973 · 03/08/2019 14:10

The majority of the world do not belong to the EU and operate under WTO terms and they do just fine

Do they really? you might want to check up on that.

Anyway, Liam Fox has already negotiated continued Free Trade Arrangements with a lot of the countries who had the same deal with the EU so nothing will change there

No he hasn't.

it appears the EU is willing to give a free trade deal to countries like S Korea, Israel and Mexico for example, but not to us , apparently, even though the UK already has fully regulated alignment with all their rules and regulations

We don't want to aligned with the EU... the whole point of brexit! we'd have to start again in any negotiations, this will take a long time.

People say that those who voted Leave are stupid....

Well, given what you've written.....

SchadenfreudePersonified · 03/08/2019 14:10

people in places like Sunderland think he’s (Trump's) got our best interests at heart, more so than their own countrymen and closest neighbours.

What absolute rubbish!

I'm in a "Place like Sunderland" and nobody thinks this. We know he's a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, corrupt war-mongering twat who would see the word engulfed in nuclear war rather than accept responsibility for his crimes (and they are many). It's just another way he is like Hitler.

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 14:10

Bercows, firstly I don't take any medication. Secondly you have entirely missed my points. You have just proven my points about this causing us to be arguing with each other, rather than coming back with a sarcastic jibe, mabe you should think a bit more before you post.

bellinisurge · 03/08/2019 14:13

@Pensionista , I came back with a realistic version of Brexit that would work. And you say ..... what exactly? Other than your feelings are hurt.

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 14:13

HPT9000 .....Irrelevant. We are not talking about 'what if's' We are leaving.

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 14:17

Bellinisurge.... You must be getting mixed up. I have not mentioned NI in any of my posts. My feelings don't 'get hurt' on here, I couldn't care less about those that try to bully others with their nasy comments.

HPT9000 · 03/08/2019 14:17

@Pensionista

Except we might not be? What happens if parliament forces a general election rather than no deal and the EU grants us another extension?

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 14:19

You must be getting mixed up. I have not mentioned NI in any of my posts

We know, you've dodged every question about it. Why is that?

bellinisurge · 03/08/2019 14:19

But @Pensionista , the only reason we haven't left is because ERG and DUP hate the idea of the NI only backstop. If they accepted it we could leave in a orderly way on 31 October.
Do you accept it?

Cinammoncake · 03/08/2019 14:20

It feels like certain leavers get very angry about the result of the referendum not having been enacted - which I can understand- but they can't say why it will be good or what benefits it will bring, other than some kind of irrational hatred of the EU and it being democracy, despite the fact that people were lied to during the referendum campaign, and if it had been an election this would have invalidated the result.

Another referendum to clarify what people want, with no lies during the campaign, while not ideal, might not be a bad idea. There's really no easy way out though. I think we might all agree that holding a referendum was a bad idea in the first place.

Pensionista · 03/08/2019 14:22

Bercows, I really don't know. At this stage I would answer no, however as I have mentioned many times before I havn't got a crystal ball. Whatever happens I will deal with it.