To ask leavers if they would vote differently now it's looking like no deal?

[TheoriginalLEM]

And as such should we go for another referendum?

I voted to remain and would continue to do so even if a deal was possible. However it is apparent that a deal isn't going to happen. Was it ever really going to be possible?

Would that change the mind of leavers? Or even remainers?

I would prefer to see no deal (even though I know its shit) than for this car crash to continue in slow motion any further.

We pay way more to the EU than many other countries, why is that fair?
Because what is paid out is based on GDP so poorer countries pay less. One of the aims of the EU is to assist deprived areas of the union (which is both laudable AND in our own interests!) The fact that we pay more (and we don't pay the highest rates) is because we are rich as a country. Don't worry- that will soon change though!

Jason118

We (the country) need to just stop this before it gets worse.

"the country" is split three equal ways.

So what are you suggesting that your third should do?

I do agree that Brexit does 'fuck with' GFA and what we now know is just a veneer of Peace, not the actual Peace we all thought it was - given Lyra's murder.

Everyone knew it was a veneer. It was achieved by humility, compromise, trust and belief by people who had known hardship most of us will never even be able to imagine.

The idea that the UK government has the right to tamper with that, again, is arrogant beyond belief.

It should have been worked out pre referendum, if nothing else the sanctity of the GFA ought to have been of paramount importance.

But it wasn't for many and I think it's telling that NI and Scotland voted remain in the majority.

Your points are all very one sided. The British side. No understanding or consideration about how it looks to other people.

It's not black and white and it's not right that something NI will suffer for should be dictated by London.

We pay way more to the EU than many other countries, why is that fair?

Because of the benefits we get?

Here we go. Here's 98 benefits for starters. Link me to 98 disadvantages and I'll listen

smallbusinessprices.co.uk/remain-eu/

"However, to think that the UK can not leave the EU because a tiny amount of people on the island of Ireland would use this as a reason to resume killing people" is what I actually said, not sure what your point is?

Won't be posting any more tonight - my sofa awaits. Nighty-night all people, everywhere.

My point was @HateIsNotGood that if you're going to leave, leave in a way that doesn't fuck with GFA.

InTheHeatofLisbon
It should have been worked out pre referendum, if nothing else the sanctity of the GFA ought to have been of paramount importance.

Many things should have been sorted pre referendum.

Percentage votes required to make the referendum actionable.
Percentage of votes needed for a "win".

the usual that countries that use this method actually do.

But unfortunately Dave in his massive tantrum like strop decided not to put any protection in place. Hence we have got this, whatever this is.

Jason118
My point was @HateIsNotGood that if you're going to leave, leave in a way that doesn't fuck with GFA.

And that could have been achieved if may had have decided to have a cross party and cross leaver/remain consultation.

She could have gone to the negotiations with a firm idea of what the country wanted before activating A50. Yet she didn't.

You're right she didn't. The Leave vote was the unknown, well this is what the reality of it is.

We're here because Leave votes gave the politicians the ability to say "it's the will of the people"

Because pre vote I didn't hear leavers saying it'll be ok, it won't be that bad, it's not going to be as bad as world wars.

I heard them say the UK would storm the world trade markets, be sovereign and independent and in full control of UK borders and the UK didn't need anyone, least of all immigrants and we'll get Britain back to being great again!

So where are they now?

So where are they now?

Where are who?

Only you can answer these things and I had no leavers that I spoke to say the second part of any of that.

And if you are talking about politicians you know exactly where they are.

MrPen - I hope she doesn’t answer you! You can’t seem to accept someone’s opinion is different to yours. Bore off

From page 2 apologies I haven’t Read through the thread yet x

Don't mind contrary opinion at all. Just do mind being impoverished as a nation when the people making that decision for me and my loved ones can't explain the benefits beyond childish slogans.

Another one who votes remain and vote leave now

why is that rach?

Another one with no explanation as to.why.
You'd almost think there is an organised sponsor behind all of these leavers. MN would be a good site to target.

Well, finally heard one of my two Brexit work colleagues who I have stayed friends with say, last night that she regretted her Leave vote as 'this isn't what she voted for', tho I did do the wide eyed surprise, saying 'But surely Boris , you know, he of the red bus etc IS Brexit? He said we were going to Brexit back then, he's saying it now, as PM. Isn't he the bloke Leave wanted all along?'

Apparently not.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/03/secret-education-report-no-deal-brexit-school-chaos

My children better not bloody suffer!

MrPan

Either these one-line Leavers on here really do have no analytical ability, which is highly possible or yes, they're bots.

I mean Dominic Cummings discovered that you just need to chant 'Turkey', and '350 million' at them, and 'once you think they've got the message', double down. Say it again, and again'....

The rash of people on here whose names you've never seen before, yet who have actually sought out this board to add their one -liner is rather suspicious.

The vast majority of real people Leavers you see on here are impassioned , long term and prolific, not 'new name/one liners'.

No, because I didn't vote for no deal, I voted to leave the EU.

Fantastic blog post about the 'cult' of no-deal Brexit and how history is being re-written Unfortunately, I doubt that the people who should read this, will.
This really resonated with some of the stuff we read on here:
"Brexit Ultras regard themselves, with some reason, as revolutionaries. But they are perhaps the first revolutionaries in history to expect and need those they denounce and disdain to deliver their programme."

Really appreciate that blog twofingers . That person has nailed it.

'There is no logic to any of this except that it demonstrates the sheer desperation of the Brexiters to pretend to have the democratic mandate for no deal that they know they lack. That, of course, is also not new. The repeated use of ‘the 17.4 million’ as a sledgehammer figure - and the untrue claim that the referendum was the biggest democratic exercise in history - to disguise the wafer-thin margin of victory are obvious examples. But what they are now doing traduces those very voters, for, on the basis of Google searches of the term, no one was giving any thought to no deal in 2016.''

And look what our 18 year olds are going to miss out on...

@EU_Commission
Today 20,000 young Europeans can start using their #DiscoverEU pass to explore Europe!

This initiative gives 18-year-olds the opportunity to travel mainly by rail, learn from other cultures, make new friendships, and explore their European identity.

Or...we could have a system in place for a test of critical thinking ability before being allowed to vote? Not money based or class or land ownership. Just an ability understand what is being said by whom and why are they saying it.

Seems sensible. I wouldn't have a clue for example about the wisest decision about the cost/implication of having a nuclear reactor. I don't have that expertise.

I do know though when I am being fed bullshit about Brexit.

Leave. I want no deal.

Why on earth would you want to leave with no deal?

Do you even understand what it means?