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'Everybody has a heart. Except some people,' Trump thread 90.

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lionheart · 19/01/2019 01:08

From Bette Davis, who was too canny to name names. Smile

Here is the old thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3458456-Shutdowns-military-pullouts-and-resignations-it-s-Christmas-and-Trump-thread-89?watched=1&msgid=84240445#84240445

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SanFranBear · 20/01/2019 19:20

Wow... admit we're at war? It's just a fucking thread on a forum...

I don't think anyone here pretends to be completely objective - and no-one has to, despite what you think?

Start your own thread if you don't like the tone of this one?

lionheart · 20/01/2019 19:20

This is a slightly different version of the usual 'What does a Trump supporter think?' On one of the men who stood behind Trump and laughed when he mocked Dr. Ford.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/01/19/feature/the-man-who-stood-behind-trump/?utm_term=.0db031d71390

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TammySwanson · 20/01/2019 19:29

Still, lets pretend that we are open to opposing ideas and of critical thinking

Also I guess we'll gloss over the fact that you keep denying saying what you actually said, even though it's been pointed out twice already.

PerkingFaintly · 20/01/2019 19:32

In fact, I think it's worth repeating from that article some occasions when Trump claimed to have no business in Russia.

  1. July 26, 2016: "I mean, I have nothing to do with Russia. I don't have any jobs in Russia. I'm all over the world but we're not involved in Russia," Trump tells CBS4.
miami.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/cbs4-news-exclusive-trump-denies-ties-to-russia/
  1. July 26, 2016: Trump tweets: "For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia"
twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/758071952498159616
  1. Oct. 6, 2016: During the second presidential debate, Hillary Clinton says Russia is trying to help elect Trump, "maybe because he wants to do business in Moscow." Trump calls this assessment "so ridiculous," adding, "I know nothing about Russia ... I don't deal there."
twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1068172853407870976
  1. Oct. 24, 2016: "I have nothing to do with Russia folks, I'll give you a written statement," Trump says at a campaign rally.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/24/donald-trump-attacks-media-pollsters-florida
  1. Jan. 11, 2017: Trump tells reporters that he has "no deals that could happen in Russia because we've stayed away," adding that he could "make deals in Russia very easily" but "I just don't want to because I think that would be a conflict."
www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/us/politics/trump-press-conference-transcript.html
  1. Jan. 11, 2017: Trump tweets "Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!"
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819159806489591809
  1. Feb. 7, 2017: Trump tweets, "I don't know Putin, have no deals in Russia, and the haters are going crazy."
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/828939235499638784
  1. May 11, 2017: Trump tells NBC News that he has "nothing to do with Russia," other than the fact that he "sold a house to a very wealthy Russian many years ago" and hosted the Miss Universe pageant there once.
www.cnbc.com/2017/05/11/trump-denies-any-links-to-russia-no-loans-no-nothing.html
TheNorthWestPawsage · 20/01/2019 19:35

The journalist who broke this story is not however.

Not many journalists are. Only 4 awards per year I think. Doesn't mean all non prize winners are 'bad' journalists though.

Justanotherlurker · 20/01/2019 19:36

Also I guess we'll gloss over the fact that you keep denying saying what you actually said, even though it's been pointed out twice already.

Nope, it gets into semantics of how misogynist he is, promoting 3 women to be in power of the CIA is the sticking point. It depends on where you are on critical thinking and culture war/ resitance you are.

I am yet to see any one back peddle on the outrage of the maga hat kid, people are slipping by acceptance by saying they didn't actually get outraged of him apparently chanting "build the wall", they can't quite pin point as to why they signal boosted something that is nothing more media outrage culture and still think they are avove this kind of rhetoric.

whosafraidofabigduckfart · 20/01/2019 19:36

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TammySwanson · 20/01/2019 19:41

I think a lot of people (myself included, initially) think that Buzzfeed the news outlet is the same as Buzzfeed the '10 crazy things from the 90s that you've totally forgotten!' website. It's not.

But I guess to some people unless every journalist you employ has a Pulitzer then it might as well be.

whosafraidofabigduckfart · 20/01/2019 19:42

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PerkingFaintly · 20/01/2019 19:45

Buzzfeed is the news outlet that did the investigations into suspicious deaths connected with Russia.

From Russia With Blood
www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil

Obviously it's entirely possible not all the deaths were caused by the Russian government, but they've done a good job of highlighting where further police investigations might be worthwhile.

MerdedeBrexit · 20/01/2019 19:46

God I love salt and vinegar Kettle Chips. Just saying.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 20/01/2019 19:48

Oh Merde - cracked black pepper are much nicer! Wink

Roussette · 20/01/2019 19:51

Merdede I am a total salt and vinegar fan! The saltiness, the vinegaryness.... yum. No one I know likes them, that leaves more for me and that's good Grin

TammySwanson · 20/01/2019 19:51

Nope, it gets into semantics of how misogynist he is, promoting 3 women to be in power of the CIA is the sticking point. It depends on where you are on critical thinking and culture war/ resitance you are.

Yes, let's get into a debate about the exact level of his misogyny, instead of ignoring that you were wrong, lied and then tried to change the subject. I guess that's critical thinking, eh? (Maybe you should look into actually understanding what it is).

TammySwanson · 20/01/2019 19:54

Also a huge salt and vinegar and black pepper Kettle Chips fan. Let's critically discuss them, that would be far more productive! (Although Pipers pepper crisps are far superior but alas more difficult to find)

PerkingFaintly · 20/01/2019 19:55

Tammy, that's what that poster persistently does.

They're not sincere about "promoting critical thinking" or any other guff. You might as well say to DJT, "But you lied!". They know. They don't care.

PerkingFaintly · 20/01/2019 19:58

I have accidentally made some very salt-n-peppery roast veg tonight. 'Twill be lush with my 3-day old daal (see other thread entirely Grin )

Wordthe · 20/01/2019 20:07

I like those vegetable crisps, especially the beetroot ones, ooh I wish you could get a bag full of just the beetroot ones!
daal? Oh yes I am a lentil devotee too!

TammySwanson · 20/01/2019 20:08

@PerkingFaintly

I know! Anyway, I look forward to next Sunday's (or maybe the following Sunday's) diatribe about how we are all sheeple and just can't think critically, and by the way I'm definitely not a Trump fan, oh no, plus I never said those things I said, prove it!

PerkingFaintly · 20/01/2019 20:09

There is also beetroot to go with the daal.

No half-measures here!

lionheart · 20/01/2019 21:12

No half measures.

Gin
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SanFranBear · 20/01/2019 21:23

“We just were trying to think of people who should be immortalized in Lego and who seem fun at weddings."

Love that this is why Ruth Bader Ginsberg was included in the Lego movie. Although she's also part of the plot, which came first do you think? Hope shes recovering well

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/01/2019 21:58

whosafraidofabigduckfart
I’ve searched on the fox website as I couldn’t find the Covington story
I searched for it too but nothing came back?????

Might this be relevant?
www.foxnews.com/politics/video-shows-students-allegedly-mocking-native-american-elder-veteran

You are all evil. I found that I had just eaten a bag of smoky bacon crisps all on my own, and it's all your fault.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 20/01/2019 22:02

Risking opening old wounds (sorry) but here is more (critical) thinking on the Covington chaos.

Important thread about #CovingtonCatholic teens and the black “House of Israel” agitators they were engaging with before Nathan Phillips attempted to deescalate the situation:
twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1087103863113564161?s=21

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