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To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

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Badmoonsarising · 27/11/2018 16:21

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?
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Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 22:49

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VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 22:52

when you look at the group very relevant to the discussion which it isn't a "hate crime" to attack and abuse
You what? That bit in English please? Of course transphobia is a hate crime.
Somebody said it would make more sense if it was part of a series, what makes you think it is part of a series?
Me - erm, maybe 'cos it says so and clarifies on the thread?!

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 22:58

There are several different legally protected charicteristics.

One of which is sex.
The most hate crimes are against females.

Yet that is only protected charicteristic not to be included. Why?

Intrestingly, of all the series transphobic hate crimes are the most rare, which makes you wonder why that was chosen for the twitter page.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:03

Intrestingly, of all the series transphobic hate crimes are the most rare, which makes you wonder why that was chosen for the twitter page

Even if it is or isn't the most rare, it's definitely a big thing on line.
Which is presumably why they chose the transphobia one as their Twitter page.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:03

Not engaging with you. You have nothing to offer this discussion but straw men and poorly constructed arguments. Try someone else.

MorningsEleven · 04/12/2018 23:04

A transwoman is not a woman!

A transwoman is a woman. You're a transphobe. Own it, admit it.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:06

Not engaging with you. You have nothing to offer this discussion but straw men and poorly constructed arguments. Try someone else.

I'd have expect nothing less of you. You like to ask "define" - I merely asked what on earth you meant as it genuinely made no sense!

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:06

Top bit was supposed to be bold as a quote.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:08

I genuinely want to know what it meant.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:09

MorningsEleven has just proved the point of the thread.

Transphobia is not bigotry, or hatred. It is not violence, or abuse. All of which are wrong.

Transphobia is telling the truth.

Transphobia is saying transwomen are not and can not become women. Because they are male.

Datun · 04/12/2018 23:10

"Of course transphobia is a hate crime."

"A transwoman is a woman. You're a transphobe. Own it, admit it."

Reality is a hate crime. And that's the problem.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:11

Can somebody shed light on what that upthread said
when you look at the group very relevant to the discussion which it isn't a "hate crime" to attack and abuse

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:12

Transphobia is not bigotry, or hatred. It is not violence, or abuse. All of which are wrong.

Transphobia is telling the truth.

Transphobia is saying transwomen are not and can not become women. Because they are male.

It's Orwellian thoughtcrime. Doubleplus ungood. And this is why this campaign is so troubling.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:13

Transphobia is saying transwomen are not and can not become women. Because they are male

Only if you are so rigid in your thinking that you have to reduce women to their body parts.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:15

I don't believe any male person is a woman. I never will.

This is a statement of scientific fact, and it is a perfectly reasonable belief.

MorningsEleven · 04/12/2018 23:17

There's no truth in transphobia- just bigotry and bile.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:17

Verbeena she clearly meant women.

1775 women raped. Wheres their poster? Wheres the campaign about the hate crimes we suffer?

We dont get one. Because someone online told a male he wasnt a real women, and thats a much bigger crime that needs tackling.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:18

So every single male person who declares that they are a woman is a woman? That's the only criteria?

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:18

Boom, there it is. There's noooo transphobia on MN though, we just so concerned about self ID and nothing else!
Even though some are "transwomen are men and always will be, regardless of what they do"

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:19

Dont be silly.

Layla Moran is going to look into peoples souls and tell us which are women Grin

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:19

Verbeena she clearly meant women.

Thank you.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:20

Cross posted with a few others as couldn't at the one who cannot be atted to avoid confusion.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:20

Yes. Transwomen are male.

Humans cannot change sex.

You call it hatred, we call it scientific fact.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:23

Even though some are "transwomen are men and always will be, regardless of what they do"

They are though. And everyone knows this. Sorry. I'm sure it sucks. Not my fault.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:23

Verbeena she clearly meant women

Thank you for answering, no it wasn't clear but I can see it is now you've pointed out.
Transwomen as a whole aren't attacking or abusing women though.
Just going about their business.