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To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

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Badmoonsarising · 27/11/2018 16:21

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?
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VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:26

They are though. And everyone knows this. Sorry. I'm sure it sucks. Not my fault

So don't be all Shock if you get tackled for being transphobic then.
Just like racists and homophobes can't see or refuse to admit that they are being so, seems transphobia is incapable of seeing too.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:27

As long as that business isnt entering womens spaces or forcing their beliefs on others, thats fine.

If transwomen could be transwomen and leave women in peace, there would be no problems.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:27

I'm not transphobic. Believing something false doesn't make you morally superior to me.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:29

And we're back to people not giving a fuck about women. We are not allowed to organise for female sex based rights in their eyes. Not much more to say, but it's transparent.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:30

Verbeena, now we can see the problem with the transphobes poster.

Transphobia is refusing to accept anothers beliefs.

Your beliefs, like most religions, are grounded in faith.

We do not and are under no obligation to share your faith.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:31

I'm not transphobic

I'm not racist

I'm not homphobic

.......

heard it all.
You either are or you aren't.
You have literally said you'll never see any transwomen as women.
Fine. There you go then. See what you feel fit.
You can't see.

Datun · 04/12/2018 23:33

It's a good job we got there in the end. Transphobia is not about discrimination, or abuse. It's about scientific facts and reality.
Which is what the OP suspected.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:33

Your beliefs, like most religions, are grounded in faith.

I have no problem with religion when it's not enforced. Religious zealotry in its various forms has been responsible for a lot of injustice and suffering in the world.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:34

We do not and are under no obligation to share your faith

I don't have a faith. I'm me. A biological woman who keeps being told define, define. No it's wrong. You're your biology. That's what makes you a woman. Don't say anything different, Verbeena, there's one way to woman. Nothing else to it.
Seriously,not a faith. Just capable of thinking or experiencing outside of a tunnel vision.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:34

It's a good job we got there in the end. Transphobia is not about discrimination, or abuse. It's about scientific facts and reality.

This this this. Hence the concern.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:34

Verbeena do you believe humans can change sex?

If not, then by your own definition you too are a transphobe.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:36

Read the middle of the thread to see there might be more to just biology. It's all there.

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 23:36

Transgender ideology has no consistent or coherent logic. It's a subjective faith based individualistic position. So yes, its believers are faith believers.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:38

Ok, Im aware Im being a huge pendant. I apologise in advance for being an arse.

But women is a fucking noun, not a verb. You can "do woman", because it isnt an fucking action

I feel better now.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:40

I feel better now

Oh good.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:40

Verbeena do you believe humans can change sex?

If it is transphobic to not believe that, you should have no trouble answering.

But you can not.

You know a male can never be a woman.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/12/2018 23:45

Now I'm going to be the one apologising, as having to refer to the on loop answer of refer to the middle of the thread comment again.
It's THERE.

As I said at the beginning of the thread before sucked in to define! DEFINE!!!
. Unless everyone bows down and accepts women are only ever their biology, we're going to go round in circles lol.
Back to corner for me for more lines. Nothing more to being a woman than your biology.

Datun · 04/12/2018 23:48

Verbeena, you do know there are other people reading these threads, don't you? It's not just confined to you and the other posters.

Hyppolyta · 04/12/2018 23:49

The definition of woman is human adult female. That doesnt change because you do not understand definitions, or nouns, or verbs, or how they work.

So can humans change sex?

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Badmoonsarising · 04/12/2018 23:52

Verbeena - jesus you talk A LOT - but say nothing that makes sense. But carry on waffling into the internet void.

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Datun · 04/12/2018 23:52

I don't think there's much else for to me to say. Verbeena can't seem to grasp the argument, nor, in fact her own argument. And I don't think it's quite fair to prolong the exchange. At least my part in it.

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/12/2018 00:12

Verbeena, you do know there are other people reading these threads, don't you? It's not just confined to you and the other posters

Well, duh?
Course it's about everyone and not just me.

Verbeena - jesus you talk A LOT - but say nothing that makes sense. But carry on waffling into the internet void.

If you check the beginning of the thread, I was on once, possibly twice at a push with an against the agreed viewpoint.
People start asking questions or asking me to explain myself, I answer.
Bizarre that people take the huff when you actually answer questions or try to explain though.
Most other people give up as they're not stupid like me and realise it is actually pointless to say anything different. Grin
Which is why wah you speak too much Verbeena.
Actually LISTEN to people and not but yeah but no to other people and it wouldn't be just me and Rat!

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/12/2018 00:14

Verbeena can't seem to grasp the argument

You're right, I'm a fick woman. I need to go back and repeat biology more.

Hyppolyta · 05/12/2018 00:55

Oh, are you answering questions Verbeena?

Do you believe humans can change sex?

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/12/2018 01:34

Omigod [read the thread]
Actually don't. As you've repeatedly said, it's only about the biology.
I hear ya.
Women. You're biology,