The whole shit show can hardly be blamed on Theresa May can it

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I'm hardly her number one fan but I can't see how getting rid of her is the answer. They just don't seem to know what they're doing. It's an absolute mess whichever way you look at it.

here's a Brexiter MP who obviously has a real grasp of the situation we're in.

Posters complaining that the country is not getting a good deal because we have a remain PM in the driving seat should be careful what they wish for.

And to those saying 'no other countries are jumping to trade with us', of course they're not! They're legally not allowed to until we have left the EU.

We already trade with loads of countries outside the EU, and I am sure that no country in the world doesn’t want a trade deal with the U.K.

The question is on what terms.

We already trade with third countries because we are members of the EU. All legal arrangements become non valid after NO DEAL if we made them as members of the EU.
Australia is not coming to rescue us.

But twofingers she could be onto something - some kind of arrangement where we have MEPs... what would that look like?

Yes, merrymouse, I wonder...

"I don't care if we are poorer, I've been poor before!"

:o There is this crazy "blitz spirit" attitude among many brexiters that no matter how tough it is, we'll tough it out because we are BRITISH and PROUD, and at least we'll be FREE!!!

It kind of belies their other claim that brexit is a great idea because we'll be doing so much trade and be so prosperous

And what about the rest of us who don't give two shits about being stubbornly, proudly alone and would like the benefits of EU membership thanks very much? We have to tough it out too and put up with that austerity that brexiters are suddenly so happy to embrace.

What about the people who are poor now and Brexit will make them even poorer? And you're happy to have your children living in poverty?

For crying out loud. All Brexiters are obviously at least as knowledgeable as lovely Nadine.

Yes, very odd blitz spirit crap. My leaver examples are fairly evenly split - the blitz ideologues are keen to suggest they are "unflappable" or "brave" and IRL are actually quite lazy and thoughtless - things don't bother them because...they don't think too hard on them.

Then there is the other half, the far right ideologues. These want tougher laws on everything (people in prison should be punished "properly" not in a prison with a bed FGS, they don't deserve a bed, etc). No society and environment don't shape people - they are BORN EVIL. These always vote Tory because they believe they are rich, usually earn under £40k and rely on tax credits - they literally cannot see the irony in this.

There do seem to be different motivations for each group IMO. The only similarity is a dislike of travel (surprise!).