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‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.

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TheClaws · 29/09/2018 02:44

From the august Benjamin Franklin. This thread is no. 84.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3369248-Not-knowing-when-the-Dawn-will-come-I-open-every-Door-Trump-No-95

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Roussette · 29/09/2018 20:33

This is my go to place when I wake up or when I want an update, thanks all Smile

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 29/09/2018 20:36

Can someone help me out with how Trump gets to control the FBI investigation?

If the FBI find something of interest, are they really limited to one week and certain lines of inquiry?

cozietoesie · 29/09/2018 20:39

Ms Pelosi speaks.

Nancy Pelosi on Kavanaugh

PerkingFaintly · 29/09/2018 20:39

Yeh, I'd like to know that too, BetteDavisEyes.

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 21:15

Frank Figliuzzi
@FrankFigliuzzi1
Let’s lower our expectations. I’m hearing the FBI may not be permitted to do what it should. The WH has ordered a “limited scope” inquiry and can limit investigative steps and interviews. ⁦
@MSNB @BWilliams@NBCInvestigates

F.B.I. agents were ordered to examine allegations of sexual assault against Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh, President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee.
How the F.B.I. Will Investigate the Kavanaugh Accusations
nytimes.com
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/politics/kavanauagh-fbi-background-check.html#click=t.co/dXqGAhER4l" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/politics/kavanauagh-fbi-background-check.html#click=t.co/dXqGAhER4l

lex18.com/news/2018/09/29/a-look-at-what-the-fbis-kavanaugh-investigation-will-entail/

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 29/09/2018 21:17

thanks Ohmymimi I'll read those links

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 21:20

Frank Figliuzzi
@FrankFigliuzzi1
The Jesuit Magazine, “America”, walks away from Kavanaugh. ⁦
@MSNBC @NBCNews
⁩ ⁦The Editors: It is time for the Kavanaugh nomination to be withdrawn
americamagazine.org
www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/09/27/editors-it-time-kavanaugh-nomination-be-withdrawn

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 21:26

Mimi Rocah
@Mimirocah1
Important thread from @ScottHech with his view as an experienced criminal defense attorney of a Kavanaugh testimony.

Scott Hechinger
@ScottHech
If this was a client of mine & he testified like this before a Grand Jury in his defense, I’d be very concerned about the prosecution bringing perjury charges in addition to the charged crime itself. The amount of provable lies & misleads are remarkable.

Beyond that, his testimony & behavior paired w/ Ford’s credibile testimony would all but ensure a grand jury vote for attempted rape. (Note: NY requires corroboration to indict, but think calendar would be sufficient, let alone anything prosecutors would find after investigation)

Note: The standard at grand jury stage is probable cause. Prosecution does not need to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Grand jury is a protection afforded to defendants in NY (& other states & Feds) bc a felony charge is a big deal. But I believe there’s probable cause here.

Last note: Prosecutors in Brooklyn *rarely bring perjury charges for testimony in grand jury. But his testimony was so sloppy, behavior toward questioners so rude, & demeanor so unhinged, that these seemingly calculated mistruths about things big & small could push them to do it.

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 21:28

'He Couldn't Answer': Ex-Federal Prosecutor Reveals Why the GOP Got Spooked and Drastically Changed Strategy During Kavanaugh's Testimony.'
www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/mimi-rocah-brett-kavanaugh-rachel-mitchell?amp&__twitter_impression=true

cozietoesie · 29/09/2018 21:28

Thanks lion and mimi.

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 22:04

Courtesy of 'The Federalist' - a somewhat different perspective Hmm :

'People Calling Ford ‘Brave’ And Kavanaugh ‘Unhinged’ Have No Idea What Courage Is.'
Senate.

What both Graham and Kavanaugh did was brave — and not the kind of bravery our society has conditioned itself into believing underlies word. I’m not talking about the Lena-Dunham-in-an-unflattering-bikini sort of “brave,” but real, old-fashioned courage.

Don't gaslight me into pretending that Kavanaugh is 'unhinged' while Ford's squirrelly demeanor and weak command of the facts were some sort of heroic act that I, as a woman, must worship.'^

Are we so soft as a society that when a man takes a stand against injustice with unflappable certainty that it is easily mistaken by so many as something nefarious?

ttp://thefederalist.com/2018/09/28/calling-kavanaugh-unhinged-lauding-ford-brave-inverstion-reality/

lionheart · 29/09/2018 22:08

www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/white-house-limits-scope-fbi-s-investigation-allegations-against-brett-n915061

'The FBI has not been permitted to investigate the claims of Julie Swetnick, a White House official confirmed to NBC News.'

Gumpendorf · 29/09/2018 22:17

Well, that is a surprise! As I said earlier, they caved too easily for there not to be a catch. Let's see what happens next.

lionheart · 29/09/2018 22:18

Avenatti?

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 22:22

'What It Was Like At C-SPAN As Women Flooded The Network With Stories Of Sexual Abuse.
Steve Scully has been at the network for decades. But as he fielded call after call on Thursday, he could tell something different was happening.
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/steve-scully-cspan-brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford_us_5baea5ebe4b0c75759651a3f#click=t.co/9pdc2NMIPY" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/steve-scully-cspan-brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford_us_5baea5ebe4b0c75759651a3f#click=t.co/9pdc2NMIPY

Gumpendorf · 29/09/2018 22:23

I was wondering that lion. The NBC article suggests all sorts of restrictions, doubtless agreed with Kavanaugh himself, including not being able to access the supermarket records where Mark Judge worked. They are also not able to follow up
any leads they come across.

Gumpendorf · 29/09/2018 22:30

That Federalist piece is quite something. What is it about right wing women that they lionise loathsome men, and are so very objectionable towards other women.

Gumpendorf · 29/09/2018 22:34

Justice may be blind, but it’s not supposed to be deaf and dumb too. #JulieSwetnick made a sworn statement - penalty of perjury - that cld show #BrettKavanaugh behavior he denied. @MichaelAvenatti says he has witnesses. #FBI MUST interview all of them! twitter.com/kendilaniannbc/status/1046139816264568832

twitter.com/mayawiley/status/1046148641679978497

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 22:34

Matthew Miller
@matthewamiller

  1. This is an amazing story.
  2. Hoo boy I hope Trump doesn’t read this.
Alan He @alanhe Senator Coons tells @nancycordes that at one point in anteroom mtg w/ Flake, that the AZ Senator spoke to Rod Rosenstein on the phone mobile.twitter.com/alanhe/status/1045792430069620737/photo/1
ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 22:46

Michael Avenatti
@MichaelAvenatti
42m
If true, this is outrageous. Why are Trump and his cronies in the Senate trying to prevent the American people from learning the truth? Why do they insist on muzzling women with information submitted under penalty of perjury? Why Ramirez but not my client?

White House limits scope of the FBI’s Kavanaugh investigation
nbcnews.com

1h
If true, this is a serious problem that will undermine the legitimacy of the entire process.

4h
It is critically important that the public be informed of any hidden effort to limit the scope of the FBI investigation. The scope should be unlimited and the FBI should be tasked with determining whether an allegation is credible - as they do every

5h
We have yet to hear from the FBI. When and if we do, we will promptly disclose to them all information and witnesses in our possession. We continue to request this opportunity as we have been doing for days. My client is telling the truth and deserves to be heard and not shammed.

Gumpendorf · 29/09/2018 22:51

@MollyJongFast @justinjm1 The White House also exclusively gets to see what's in the updated report & whether some or all info gets passed on to Senate!

twitter.com/DerWouter/status/1046143629461475333

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 22:52

FBI👀, your lord and master has spoken:
Geoff Bennett
@GeoffRBennett
@realDonaldTrump tells me on the South Lawn that “the FBI is talking to everybody. I would expect it’s going to turn out very well for the judge." Says the agency has "free reign. They’re going to do whatever they have to do.Hopefully at the conclusion everything will be fine."
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