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‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.

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TheClaws · 29/09/2018 02:44

From the august Benjamin Franklin. This thread is no. 84.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3369248-Not-knowing-when-the-Dawn-will-come-I-open-every-Door-Trump-No-95

‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.
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TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/09/2018 14:22

THREAD. 1/I worked in the Senate for 20+ years and handled hundreds of nominations as a Senate committee counsel. I was a nominee myself, and was confirmed for a job at DoD, in 2014. I've known many friends who were also nominees.

2/"Advice/consent" is not defined further in the Constitution. Over the centuries, the Senate has developed its own rules/customs. Some of these customs are arbitrary and/or seemingly unfair. But they are part of a constitutional process.

3/Nominees are expected to adhere to certain norms. Don't talk publicly except at a hearing. Answer the questions from senators. Wait patiently, sometimes for weeks or months, while investigations occur, or simply for a committee chair or Majority Leader to schedule action.
4/Also, don't complain (at least
publicly) that the process is not fair. Sometimes, it isn't. But that's life, and life isn't always fair.

5/The SCOTUS nominee has broken many of these norms. He gave a TV interview. He complained bitterly to the senators that he was being unfairly treated. He gave evasive answers. He even tried to turn senators' questions back on them.

6/In other words, he betrayed contempt for a constitutional process (while stating fealty to the Constitution).

7/Quite apart from the credible allegations by Dr. Ford, his lack of respect for the constitutional process, combined with the partisan bias and intemperance manifested yesterday, calls into question his fitness to serve on the bench.

8/Senators don't have to believe Dr. Ford (though I do) to have seen this yesterday. It was as plain as day. For the good of the country and the Court, I hope enough Senate Rs will convey this message to the WH, and ask POTUS to submit another nominee.

twitter.com/bpmckeon64/status/1045756489498021894?s=21

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 14:56

OMG, five rallies between today and next Sat., lion. Will be interesting to see how he deals with the Kav. issue when he is geed up in front of his people. But all that adulation, day after day, will be intoxicating.

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 15:13

Now that the FBI have his calendar, I have a feeling that Judge Dilly Dilly might come to regret not holding to 'what's stored in the attic, stays in the attic'.

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 15:33

Judge Dilly Dilly - When the mask drops:

Roussette · 29/09/2018 15:34

He must have known that the watching Dr F. lie would be known, had little to gain from it (it would be a natural, human thing to want to see and hear her)

Exactly mimi. It's just like 45. The natural default option is to lie. Don't think this Kav bloke is any different.

Interesting NorthWest at how many rules he has broken.

The FBI are pursuing this hotly, I imagine they've been disparaged enough by Trump and will do their damndest to get results. Apparently they are interviewing tonight, very unusual apparently

I imagine Beer Brett has a thick head this morning.... Grin

lionheart · 29/09/2018 16:59

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/29/abuse-survivors-say-flake-lift-protest-in-solidarity-with-ford

“I wanted [Flake] to feel my rage,” she said. “I believe Judge Kavanaugh is dangerous for women.”

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 17:16

This is why he wants a lapdog like Kav. SCOTUS:
Josh Gerstein
@joshgerstein
BREAKING: Trump admin will ask #SCOTUS to block deposition for Commerce Secy. Wilbur Ross in census citizenship question suit, assuming 2nd Cir won't. Doc: (link: politi.co/2NMiOVc politi.co/2NMiOVc Earlier:

mobile.twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1045881251905900544

lionheart · 29/09/2018 17:17

Effective.

‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.
lionheart · 29/09/2018 17:18

Brutal.

Gumpendorf · 29/09/2018 17:38

www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-resistance-to-donald-trump-is-not-what-you-think/

Sarah Kendizor writes brilliantly and insightfully.

There is a sense that the midterms mark the end of something – maybe Mr. Trump’s unchecked domination over American political life; maybe the American experiment itself. The fact that we don’t know which imbues every day with as much heaviness as hope.

AcrossthePond55 · 29/09/2018 17:52

lion your posting pic re male/female sexual assault rather took my breath away. Not because, as a woman, I haven't done the majority of the things the women listed as preventative measures, but because I've never really thought about the fact that men DON'T NEED TO (in most circumstances). I just take it for granted that WE do, it's just second nature to us, isn't it? If men do it's not to prevent sexual assault, it's just to prevent getting mugged or 'general' crime (which we also worry about). Any crime is bad of course, but sexual crime just has more layers of psychological trauma and consequences.

Maybe it's my age. My generation rather accepted the risk of sexual assault as 'just the way it is'. We saw taking precautions as a 'necessary evil' because, after all, we couldn't expect men to control their 'baser instincts'. Hell, even men thought that, hence victim blaming. This generation is NOT accepting it and by God, I thank you all for it!

yolofish · 29/09/2018 18:00

powerful stuff lionheart and as across says I think we all just take it for granted - certainly hammered home a lot of that stuff with my dds who are now at uni...

Anyone else thinking that Mrs Graham might be walking on eggshells tonight? He strikes me as an incredibly angry man.

lionheart · 29/09/2018 18:05

A different angle Blush on the hearing here.

www.cjr.org/analysis/kavanaugh-photos.php

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 18:06

'The Arizona Republican's head-snapping moves Friday left Washington in shock and Brett Kavanaugh in renewed jeopardy.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/09/28/jeff-flake-brett-kavanaugh-backstory-853839

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 18:13

'FBI probe could further wound Kavanaugh
Key witnesses such as Mark Judge appear to have agreed to cooperate with the newly ordered probe.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/09/28/kavanaugh-fbi-investigation-853788

Roussette · 29/09/2018 18:19

That was a powerful article lion. It's second nature to women isn't it... being careful, being aware. I have two DDs, now making their own way in the world and I worry. I know they're polite girls and I now think perhaps I've made them too polite should a 'situation' occur. One DD had some bloke trying to walk alongside her on part of her walk to work in London for quite a few days. I told her to shout FUCK OFF as loud as she could as he was getting persistent. She did. He stopped. Still scary for her.

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 18:20

'Why Christine Blasey Ford Isn’t Allowed to Be Mad.
The Kavanaugh hearing was a master class in misreading anger as honesty.'
slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-angry-shouting.html

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 18:21

'A List of Everyone the FBI Could Interview About Brett Kavanaugh if They Really Want to Find Out How Credible He Is'
slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/kavanaugh-fbi-investigation-potential-witnesses.html

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 18:37

Time for Strictly

Minimammoth · 29/09/2018 18:47

Thank you to all posters for your info, links and articles. This is my ‘go to’ place for USA up to date news.

yolofish · 29/09/2018 19:30

ditto mini I cant read all the links, but I know I get the latest updates hear. Another bigly hugest thanks to y'all.

AcrossthePond55 · 29/09/2018 19:36

So the FBI is going to talk to Debra Ramirez. Good.

Does anyone have the 'Cliff Notes' version of exactly what this 'limited scope' consists of or has that not been divulged? IMO, that could be a real maker or breaker.

lionheart · 29/09/2018 19:41

Roussette, yes.

There is so much to be said for teaching them how to stand their ground. It won't always be polite or pretty but it can be lifesaving. Sad

Oh, for a world where everyone can walk without fear.