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‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.

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TheClaws · 29/09/2018 02:44

From the august Benjamin Franklin. This thread is no. 84.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3369248-Not-knowing-when-the-Dawn-will-come-I-open-every-Door-Trump-No-95

‘Energy and persistence conquer all things’ - even vile orange ones. Trump thread con.
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Gumpendorf · 29/09/2018 22:54

Q I want answered:

Did Kavanaugh or Ed Whelan talk w/Don McGahn abt scope of investigation and likely landmines?

twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1046155821741158400

The answer to that question would be interesting.

Gumpendorf · 29/09/2018 22:58

It’s deja vu all over again. #ClarenceThomas #WeBelieveDrBlaseyFord #WeBelieveChristine #CancelKavanaugh #TimesUp twitter.com/MentalitySB/status/1046116391563157504/video/1

ohmymimi · 29/09/2018 23:11

Michael Avenatti
@MichaelAvenatti

24m
Trump has now determined that he and he alone will be the sole arbiter of whether a woman’s claims of sexual assault and misogyny are credible. Why even have an FBI investigation? I thought it was their job to make this determination. He and Kavanaugh are afraid of the truth.

ColdNeverBotheredMeAnyway · 29/09/2018 23:38

Anyone else thinking that Mrs Graham might be walking on eggshells tonight? He strikes me as an incredibly angry man

There isn't a Mrs Graham. He's single. Possibly why he's an incredibly angry man,

ColdNeverBotheredMeAnyway · 29/09/2018 23:39

And weirdly, he actually referred to himself as 'a single man' during his speech Thursday's hearing. Which I found odd.

TheClaws · 30/09/2018 02:03

Oh my lord. “In love” with a brutal dictator?

"I was really being tough and so was he," he said. "And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters ... They were great letters. And then we fell in love."

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/409104-trump-kim-jong-un-and-i-fell-in-love

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AcrossthePond55 · 30/09/2018 02:36

Well, personally I think Scrotus should break up with KJU and set his sights on Graham. After all, there's no future with KJU as he's a married man!! But Flimsy is totally available!!!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 30/09/2018 07:23

Graham looked to be a very scary man.

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 07:50

Word is, Across, Flimsy Linski is taken. He makes a show of dining alone at his favourite diner, but his partner accompanies him to dinners in more intimate settings in certain Washinton circles. (Purely hearsay , however).

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 07:59

POTUS tweets are official statements, are they not? Was this fact not confirmed by the WH? Are they not always the font of truth, like their master?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
NBC News incorrectly reported (as usual) that I was limiting the FBI investigation of Judge Kavanaugh, and witnesses, only to certain people. Actually, I want them to interview whoever they deem appropriate, at their discretion. Please correct your reporting!

But:
Ryan Goodman
@rgoodlaw
NYT supports NBC report: “Left off the list [of witnesses] were former classmates who have contradicted Judge Kavanaugh’s congressional testimony about his drinking and partying”
White House will decide later if FBI interviews more people
As for Flake...

Ken Dilanian
@KenDilanianNBC
New York Times confirms NBC News reporting: Limited witness list, no plan to talk to third accuser Swetnick; no plan to examine conflicting stories about Yale drinking. With Trump’s tweet, it’s possible this could all change.

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 08:03

I think Kim and Stinky should elope together, they are perfectly matched as they are both little rocket menWink

BelfastBloke · 30/09/2018 08:07

Boofing
Devil’s Triangle
FFFFFFourth of July

It’s been an education

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 08:08

Seeds of populist anger sown in Wall Street bailout that never reached Main Street
The seeds were planted long before that, the effects of the bailout were just extra fertiliser:

Philip Rucker
@PhilipRucker
Today's political tumult started 10 years ago today in a bipartisan revolt to the Wall Street bailout. A decade later, both party's establishment lay in tatters. Let
@pkcapitol
take it from here —>

Analysis | Seeds of populist anger sown in Wall Street bailout that never reached Main Street
washingtonpost.com

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 08:14

One needed to attend an elite and prestigious Jesuit prep school and Ivy League College to get that high level of education, Belfast. Still, it's never too late to learnGrin

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 08:18

Still clear as mud:
Michael S. Schmidt
@nytmike
NEW: FBI interview of Mark Judge will include questions about BOTH Swetnick and Blasey allegations.
Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh denied on Thursday accusations of sexual misconduct in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Washington Braces for Battle as F.B.I. Contacts Potential Witnesses to Kavanaugh Claims
nytimes.com

BelfastBloke · 30/09/2018 08:29

I am surprised we haven’t heard a lot more about ‘Sqi’.

If Ford says he was the guy who introduced Ford to K, and that she was dating him, and the calendar places him at the July 1 party, why haven’t been there been more articles about him.

Articles only tend to summarise what I’ve just summarised. But surely he’s potentially the link for many things???!!!

TheNorthWestPawsage · 30/09/2018 08:37

Watch: Saturday Night Live casts Matt Damon as Brett Kavanaugh. And he is YELLING A LOT.
www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/2018/9/30/17919106/saturday-night-live-premiere-matt-damon-brett-kavanaugh-cold-open

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 08:39

I think we all know the answer to this. It certainly had that effect on Thomas:

Peter Baker
@peterbakernyt
If Kavanaugh makes it to the Supreme Court, will the searing confirmation process affect his approach to cases? ⁦
@adamliptak
⁩Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh’s testimony raised questions about his neutrality and temperament, threatening the already fragile reputation of the Supreme Court as an institution devoted to law rather than politics.
A Bitter Nominee, Questions of Neutrality, and a Damaged Supreme Court
nytimes.com

Viz:
(And this was written before the second hearing/FBI follow up)
'Kavanaugh is this generation’s Clarence Thomas, so how will the senate respond?
Brett Kavanaugh will also be angry, bitter, and resentful if he reaches the Supreme Court.'
Thomas didn’t blame himself for having sexually harassed Anita Hill and other women. He blamed the Senate Judiciary Committee for calling him out on his actions, calling his confirmation hearing “a high-end lynching.
Neither will Kavanaugh blame himself for the assault he committed on Christine Blasey Ford at a party in high school, when he was 17 and she was 15. He’s already told the world in a 2015 speech to the Columbus School of Law that his school slogan, “What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep . . . has been a good thing for all of us, I think.” He'll blame Democrats, liberals, and most especially, women for the humiliation he will suffer next week if he testifies in the follow-up hearing that Republicans hastily called for Monday.
He’ll carry the memory of the humiliation he has already suffered onto the court if he’s confirmed. Kavanaugh’s arch-conservative positions will harden into obsidian, the dark glass through which he will see every case brought before him. Just as Clarence Thomas has done before him, he will take out his resentments and bitterness on women, on workers, on voters, on immigrants, on African Americans and Latino Americans, on anyone coming before the court seeking relief from the power of men, corporations, and the state. His voting record will be almost indistinguishable from Thomas', which in case you've forgotten, was further to the right on many issues than that of Thomas’ friend mentor, Antonin Scalia.
www.salon.com/2018/09/19/kavanaugh-is-this-generations-clarence-thomas-so-how-will-the-senate-respond

Roussette · 30/09/2018 09:04

Just watched the Matt Damon bit of SNL, my god he nailed it, so so funny

Gumpendorf · 30/09/2018 10:04

www.scotsman.com/news/dani-garavelli-injustice-cries-out-at-kavanaugh-hearing-1-4807373

Ford was easily the more credible witness, but Kavanaugh was the one who went to Georgetown Prep School; he was the one with the powerful allies. Kavanaugh was also the one who became hysterical, but he doesn’t possess a uterus, so let’s call it a display of raw emotion.

On this side of the Atlantic, women watched with a horrified compulsion. There was something so American about the affair, with its country clubs; its brewskis and its protagonists with names like Chuck and Brett. But we are no strangers to male privilege. It was male privilege that brought us Brexit; male privilege, in the form of Rod Liddle and Jacob Rees-Mogg, that strutted its stuff on the BBC Question Time panel last week.

As the Kavanaugh hearing unfolded, political activist Angela Y Davis’s upending of The Serenity Prayer started doing the rounds again. “I am no longer accepting the things I cannot change. I am changing the things I cannot accept,” she wrote. Brothers, believe me when I tell you: women are tired of being this angry. No-one wants to live in a state of perpetual outrage. It’s miserable and exhausting. But as we continue to inch closer to some sort of misogynist dystopia, our anger is all that is keeping us afloat.

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 10:05

I watched it a bit earlier, North, while drinking some very hot coffee, which I snorted up my noseBlush

ColdNeverBotheredMeAnyway · 30/09/2018 10:36

That SNL clip is brilliant. The scary thing is they didn't have to stray too far into satire... some of it is almost word-for-word what he actually said.

ohmymimi · 30/09/2018 11:06

They'll be doing things we have never even thought of," Trump said.^
Hope they will, Stinky:

'Blessing in disguise’: Trump optimistic about Kavanaugh as FBI opens probe.
'They can do whatever they have to do. They'll be doing things we have never even thought of,' the president told reporters.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/09/29/kavanaugh-accuser-cooperating-fbi-853857

lionheart · 30/09/2018 12:47

This was, I thought, really interesting (to pick up the conversation about how to protect your children as they move out into the world.)

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1046055387617775616.html

PerkingFaintly · 30/09/2018 13:11

Indeed Gumpendorf.

With the caveat that last year (?), we saw Steve Bannon salivating at women's anger, seeing the #MeToo movement, and wondering how he could exploit it.

Anger boils up... and external manipulators try to channel that anger where they want it.

It's another damn thing to keep track of even while the anger is the only thing keeping us afloat.Sad