to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

Brexit isn’t just the result of people choices, you want to blame anyone blame our stupid government. Had David Cameron not been a bigger dick than he is and not held the referendum then no one would have had the choice. He shot himself in the foot really thinking he had everyone’s backing and literally lost. No referendum no choice to vote. They brought this on... yes we do have the right to vote, but he made the choice to have the vote when it wasn’t needed. It comes to something when more than half the country voted to leave. I honestly thought it would go the other way. I didn’t vote because thier are pros and cons to both so I couldn’t decide. I’m not complaining about it though just making a point.

The GFA is 'an agreement'. Yes it was that simple. Centuries or blood and misery. A partial solution that stopped the killing and the terrorism.

A very Brexit response - it is 'an agreement' and we should 'just leave'. Brexit world is full of simple solutions and sound bites. Brexit world is full of sunny uplands.

If any lurkers are reading this, if you're not sure about the whole debate. Just look when posters say things like the GFA is just 'an agreement'. Life really isn't that simple.

And @CiderBrains , if they are part of the UK, we should protect the hard won peace and steps towards prosperity represented by the GFA - which can only work with a frictionless border.

Bellinsurge

Go on - point out where I am going wrong

Point out why the democratic will of 17 odd million should be denied through the cynical use of the troubles as a sledge with which to batter the prospect of Brexit

Nope - ni stay or go with our reluctant blessing. They stay they play by our rules

NI cannot be part of the U.K. and have an open border. They can either be part of the U.K. or they can be at one with the rest of Ireland and the EU.

@10degreestostarboard - it's not a cynical use of the troubles. It was flagged up repeatedly prior to the vote and no one had an answer then.
There needs to be no border infrastructure between NI and Ireland. Do anything which puts one back up and all the shit comes back with it.

@Cider and 10degrees
The GFA is a very fragile agreement. It has stopped the majority of bombings but the 'summary justice' meted out by some still remains.
Assuming you are parents to a 16 year old or greater boy, who had got involved in the 'wrong gang' how would you feel about taking them to be 'kneecapped'. IIRC, according to a programme aired in the last week or so, this scenario happens about once a week still.
Do not mock or make light of the problems.

"ni stay or go with our reluctant blessing. They stay they play by our rules"
Go where?

A map of Europe for those who require visuals to understand they are European if they are British.

Also shows Nothern Ireland and the republic of Ireland.

Being bullied by NI in fear they will start terrorising us again is not the answer. Is the rest of the U.K. supposed to live at the mercy of upsetting NI?

I presume you are too young and naive to remember life before the Good Friday Agreement. Or just too arrogant.

Er, it was fucking shit for everyone affected by it.

"They will start terrorising us again "You don't get it do you?

Clearly not. Are we supposed to live at the mercy of NI?

So I assume NI are happy to have a border then?

No ni are manipulating us now

Or more accurately Ireland is

So NI will bully us to get their way..

Nope - ni stay or go with our reluctant blessing. They stay they play by our rules

Oh, for fuck's sake.

THIS is why we should not have had a referendum.

Northern Ireland exists because we decided to occupy Ireland, and then we agreed to un-occupy it, but not all of it. Northern Ireland only exists because of our colonial fuck ups.

We created Northern Ireland, we created the Troubles, we can't now turn round and say we don't want Northern Ireland to be part of the UK anymore because it's inconvenient now that 17m twats voters (most of whom live in England) decided they didn't want to be in the EU any more.

Being bullied by NI in fear they will start terrorising us again is not the answer.

Good Lord, such ignorance on display here.

All this "we" "we" "we." No, "we" didn't decide anything to with taking over Ireland. Historically "we" did but those past "we's" are long dead and "we" are getting the blame. "We" can change things now because "we" didn't make those stupid decisions all those years ago.

Brighton, London, Warrington and Manchester. Many towns/villages near the NI border made 'infamous' during the troubles.