Portsmouth this evening

[Shmoigel]

Has anyone else seen the news about what’s happening in Portsmouth this evening
A boat has arrived in Hampshire and the protesters from Dover are currently in the sea blocking passage with hundreds more on the quay blocking coaches waiting.

But 'Don't let people drown' is a pretty mainstream British point of view.

This ^

I’m sick of hearing that everything is ok because the numbers are down. The UK is such a soft touch. Other countries manage to protect their borders, why can’t we?

How are you not allowing them to get off the boats? What does this involve?

"If they do manage to infiltrate the country lock, them in detention centres and deport them."

So again, pretty much what happened at Portsmouth, you just want an agreement with a third country so that they can be deported quickly. Not clear why the army and navy need to be involved.

I wasn’t talking about any specific post. I was am just answering the question. There are many who find it hard to belive that a lot of the internet is propaganda.

Lots of people still believe the world is all flowers and rainbows and that you can belive everything you see and read.

There is a specific one on MN that’s always easy to spot. It’s always the same, “my husband has become obsessed with conspiracy theories”. Turns out the fictional husband is now “far right” and “anti vax” and the threads always go the same way, with the same comments. Some are so see through, it’s laughable.

A new deal. What we're doing currently doesn't work so the UK needs to innovate - as we do so well.

Australia's Operation Sovereign Borders has worked fantastically well, bringing boat arrivals down from roughly 20,000 people in 2013... to a single boat in 2014. In just 1 year. They combined turn backs at sea, immediate detention, no settlement for anyone who had arrived illegally, and third country processing in Nauru and Papua New Guinea.

Before you cry that Nauru and Papua New Guinea are too far away (well, duh!), the Group of Five Initiative - Germany, Austria, Greece, Denmark, and the Netherlands - have been working on deals with Rwanda, Uganda, and Uzbekistan to privide third-country facilities for failed asylum seekers.

It's not too big a stretch to suggest that we combine the approach that worked so well for Australia - including third country processing - (coming out of any agreements stopping us) with the actual countries which are geographically appropriate for Europe... and who still seem keen.

I agree.

But so many people think this is completely out of the question. Why?

You don't have to pay people to support vaccination.

Virtue signaling.

Because it's completely impractical?

Knowledge signalling.

Forget the practicalities - people don’t want to even hear of anything like that.

One upmanship signalling.

So why do influencers get paid to promote vaccinations? And they do. Lots of celebrities and bloggers were “paid partnerships” when they filmed themselves having covid vaccines.

Back in the day, when I was a parenting influencer (yes, it makes me sick to think of that too), I was offered a paid partnership to talk about flu vaccines (declined, I don’t think people should be influenced by idiots that post on Instagram about their health).

Unfortunately, if the UK added out-of-country routes, you can bet it would be neither capped nor vetted! It would very soon become another floodgate.

No thanks.

No illegal immigrants at all.

Rules for asylum tightened up significantly, to get numbers down. Denmark got theirs down tenfold from 20,000 in 2013 to 2000 in 2025 by tightening up their rules - of which only 839 were granted.

Which parts of @PinguMoll ’s proposals are completely impractical?

Take note of the big elephant that I keep pointing at - Australia has an overseas application process
There is no need to get on a boat in the first place

Drones and boats-easy.

There’s no elephant. The o/s process can only exist in isolation without boats because of the deterrent,

If you removed the deterrent you’d get boats and deaths again .

The deterrents will do just fine.

Rwanda and Theresa Mays hostile environment have worked so well to date

The bit where people are in a boat and you stop them from getting out. How are you imagining that this would be done?

I was also unclear on the purpose of patrolling the coast by foot.

If people want what Aus has done then it needs the same policies.

Such as having an application process as I keep repeating

You are confusing influencers and posters on MN.

Some threads are of course promoted (and it wouldn't surprise me if some of these are public health messages), but individual posters do not need to be paid to argue that vaccines save lives.

It doesn’t actually as it has no bearing on the success of stopping crossings.

It can be added, but it’s not the limited amount given from o/s that is resolving the issue.

It could be 0 or 20k of those places given. It’s the deterrent that stops the crossings.