Portsmouth this evening

[Shmoigel]

Has anyone else seen the news about what’s happening in Portsmouth this evening
A boat has arrived in Hampshire and the protesters from Dover are currently in the sea blocking passage with hundreds more on the quay blocking coaches waiting.

Exactly.

Britain managed to secure its borders for hundreds of years against invasions, without todays modern technology.

And if France are unable to police the coasts and stop it when what the hell are we paying them millions of pounds every year to do? Wave them off with a floral hankie?

The police can't stop the migrants, but they can have riot police lined up and down portmouth immediately for British men? They can't hold back the immigrants but they can their own people?

And the irony is they are telling these British Men they cannot be there, they need to leave the area for safety, but they can't tell the men that have just broken into the country illegally the same?

We have millions of pounds of defensive ability at our fingertips. We absolutely could stop this.

They do not want to.

We have millions of pounds of defensive ability at our fingertips. We absolutely could stop this.

What exactly are you proposing?

Really? You think the presence or not of the RNLI is a more important issue for people in coastal areas than illegal immigration?

Absolutely

I mean changing our laws. And leaving all international agreements which we need to, in order to do so.

Making the criteria for successful asylum far, far more restrictive (eg not sexual orientation), increasing the burden of proof required, removing the right to appeal more than once (and immediate rejection for anyone already rejected previously), and making refugee status temporary and subject to review every 2 years.

AND

Also deporting immediately to Rwanda, and paying Rwanda to do the processing in accordance with those new rules.

Failed asylum seekers would be granted permanent residence in Rwanda, as agreed in the previous agreement.

Yes, speaking as a person living in a coastal area, lack of an effective rescue service would destroy the local economy.

People have different ideas about how to deal with immigration and I think it's completely reaonsable to discuss ideas like removal to third party countries, but criticising the RNLI for preventing people from drowning is nuts.

The last Rwanda arrangement had nothing to do with processing.
It was about offering an asylum seeker money to move to Rwanda, paying Rwanda if they accepted that person and taking a person from Rwanda in exchange

Yeah I guess leftys are the worst hypocrites -who’da thunk it 😂😂😂😂

You can google to your heart's content footage of French police slashing boats.

Eg this was July last year. Headline out-of-date as number of people arriving now dropping.

French police are slashing boats but migrants are still determined to reach the UK
Updated Mon, 7 July 2025 at 6:23 am BST
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/french-police-slash-migrant-boats-amidst-record-channel-crossings/vi-AA2bCE48

This is the footage taken in France from which the article quotes, showing boats being slashed and showing migrants complaining about French police repeatedly slashing boats. Same out-of-date headline, of course. (The video also shows women and children.)

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/french-police-slash-migrant-boats-amidst-record-channel-crossings/vi-AA2bCE48

Use the enormous amount of surveillance equipment the UK state has at its disposal to identify incoming illegal immigrants.

Detain and deport them immediately to a third country, with an agreement similar to the Rwanda one - but with higher numbers allowed for and new stricter asylum rules.

Bet it costs less than the £8billion per year illegal immigration costs us currently. And the cost will go down pretty quickly, as people stop trying to get here.

It constantly veers back and forward between

There’s nothing that can be done to stop all these boats. Its too technically difficult. There are too many miles and too many boats and we don’t have the manpower or resources. We’ll just have to accept endless boats

And

OMG, surely you’re not suggesting we actually use our extensive military and police capabilities to actually stop the boats are you? You monster!

The tactics would be amusing if it wasn’t such a horrendous situation.

So what are you proposing?

@strawberrybubblegum
Alternatively, don’t pay any foreign government anything. Just give our consulate the ability to receive applications

The only cost being processing applications, nobody to deport from a failed application because they aren’t in the UK, and no paying a country to take them because they are in whatever country that they apply from

So doing exactly what was done in Portsmouth, but moving them very quickly to a third country. So your disagreement is with what happens after the asylum seekers are picked up, not with them being picked up and processed.

This is what most of us knew anyway.

Ignore social media and MN where it’s beyond obvious people are paid to support certain political agendas chronically online calling everyone every label under the sun or, people pretend they’re in agreement with things to avoid trouble. The vast majority, from all walks of life, are sick to their back teeth of what is going on and that is why people like Kemi, Zia and others have become popular and able to ascend new heights politically because the vast majority of people see their views on illegal immigration is reasonable and logical and not racist.

Why on earth would anyone with a shred of self respect sign up to an organisation that isn’t allowed to prevent illegals?

People post numbers on French stopping boats, slashing them etc, and all the smash the gangs stuff when a change of law can just do more and without chaotic, tear gas scenes on beaches and deaths in boats.

I think one of the problems is that it is difficult to repatriate people if you don't have an agreement with that country, and it can be difficult to prove country of origin. Using a third country enables quicker removal so is more of a deterrent.

@strawberrybubblegum
In your garbled post you referred to two countries that already do overseas processing. There are more than two

Australia does transfer any boat arrivals to Nauru
But it has an overseas application process so you don’t have to get on a boat in the first place
(They also have an internal process for people who have a visa to be in Australia already)

Paid to post on MN?

Maybe not just read

Well yes. Their system means a capped, vetted application process is possible. That’s the point of it. It still requires the deterrent.

People are paid to post on social media, this includes MN and other various places. Even IG influencers are paid for posting certain messages.

don’t be obtuse, I said what I said.

Use the navy and the army. Patrol the coast by boat and foot. Do not let them get off the boats. Turn the boats around. If they do manage to infiltrate the country lock, them in detention centres and deport them.

The exact same treatment I would expect if I tried to enter another country illegally with no documentation.

I do not see how that is, in anyway, controversial.

Yes.

There are countless organisations which pay people to post across forums and social media to push agendas. They also pay people to protest, or disrupt peaceful protests.