Portsmouth this evening

[Shmoigel]

Has anyone else seen the news about what’s happening in Portsmouth this evening
A boat has arrived in Hampshire and the protesters from Dover are currently in the sea blocking passage with hundreds more on the quay blocking coaches waiting.

That post you’re responding to is doing just that. Pointless.

Lots of posts here, so sorry if I am confused.

You appeared to suggest the army should be used. Then when I asked if you want to use the army against civvies, you said no and pivoted to the "good bloke protestors" would sign up to the Army if the Army were to be used.

Personally, I am totally against violence, esp state ordered/sanctioned violence, triple esp against civvies.

Why does it always have to be a punishment process ?

Introduce an overseas application process and there is no need to pay 3rd countries to take people.
Put the funding and resources into processing applications

Migration, (illegal or legal) is way down the list of reasons our quality of life is declining in my opinion.
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Im pretty sure we will never agree

I’m pretty sure we won’t agree and I don’t think huge swathes of the population would agree with you either.

Just trying to understand what people are saying.

Couldn't agree with you more

Strawmanning

What’s the point?

What part of

I am not advocating the Army is used, no.

is unclear to you?

What are they risking??

Well I suppose time and elections will tell.

Just to check, (even thought there might be disagreement over what should happen next) does anyone posting on this thread think that the people on the boat should not have been picked up and taken to another location to be processed?

Do we then all agree that the people interfering were wasting time and our money?

So this Daniel Thomas, is he the guy that led the protest last night in Portsmouth last night? and he was released from prison just 8 years ago after spending two years at his Majesty's pleasure for a violent incident that occurred due to being a drug dealer?

And people are following this buffoon?

I thought this was made up so I've checked - yup, here it is in black and white . . . https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/danny-tommo-tommy-robinson-dover-portsmouth-migrants-b1296000.html

I’m a bit flabbergasted that someone is claiming that events which have been all over the media for weeks are not happening.

They do it ALL the time, much like when it was reported they were trying to withhold data on foreign criminals and I was told this was not happening. I produce a link directly showing this and crickets… tumblr weed… boarded a dinghy back to their ivory tower LOL

Just to check, (even thought there might be disagreement over what should happen next) does anyone posting on this thread think that the people on the boat should not have been picked up and taken to another location to be processed?

The situation should not have been allowed to arise where yet another boat of “asylum seekers” arrives on our shores.

Do we then all agree that the people interfering were wasting time and our money?

Do you not understand the concept of a demonstration?

The situation should not have been allowed to arise where yet another boat of “asylum seekers” arrives on our shores.

But the boat exists and cannot be disappeared with magic.

Do you not understand the concept of a demonstration?

Yes. Lawful demonstrations aren't supposed to put anyone's life at risk.

Apparently there was also a "demonstration" at Poole Harbour in support of the Portsmouth debacle last night. The local rag is running a live blog.

No no no, of course the boat will disappear by magic.

That numbers are dropping seems to be over the heads of people who think a magic wand can be waved to stop the boats.

Are you serious here, or deliberately trying to be disingenuous? Politicians live nowhere near were migrants are placed, and don't have to face the consequences of the problens they cause.

Oh interesting. Thanks for that, @alifesizefoamversionofapopularfrozenfoodstuff

Quite the career.

I'm sure he'll find people who agree with 5% of what he says, and that will be enough for them.

But whether he'll then lead them anywhere good seems unlikely based on his history.

I don't consider myself right wing at all.
Are you saying it makes me right wing if, as a woman I am concerned about thousands of unknown males entering the UK illegally?
Does that really make me right wing? I think i'm being sensible in my concerns.

But the boat exists and cannot be disappeared with magic.

No, indeed. Concerted action is needed but it doesn’t look like this government wants to stop the boats.

Yes. Lawful demonstrations aren't supposed to put anyone's life at risk.

I’m not aware there have been any deaths or casualties. Have there?

"GentleSheep · Today 16:58
No I'm replying to someone else asking why the 'brave lads' aren't joining the Army. Because the Army isn't being used to deal with these boats (at least not yet). I am not advocating the Army is used, no."

That is the post I was replying to. See the first bit about "Because the Army isn't being used to deal with these boats". That is what I was seeking clarification on.

Then go further up the thread, and this

GentleSheep · Today 15:38
Maybe because the Army isn't being sent to deal with these 'small' boats.

piscofrisco · Today 15:28
It’s not a secret that our armed forces need recruits no. Why aren’t the brave lads signing up in big volumes then? They love ‘the country’ don’t they so you’d assume they’d be forming lines…

Seems rather suggestive to me that the poster thinks the army should be used. That somehow these "brave protestors" would be signing up if they were sent to deal with small boats.

Why do the French police stand around and watch migrants boarding these boats? Why can they not deflate the boat using a knife so the boat is then useless. There are reports that the French police are told not to intervene. Why is this? Why are we paying hundreds of millions to the French Government for them just to escort boats until they are in British waters.

The arrivals have been provided with pyjamas apparently.

The authorities are just saving them from drowning though 🙄

Good point. The posters using ‘right-wingers’ like that one have it wrong.