Portsmouth this evening

[Shmoigel]

Has anyone else seen the news about what’s happening in Portsmouth this evening
A boat has arrived in Hampshire and the protesters from Dover are currently in the sea blocking passage with hundreds more on the quay blocking coaches waiting.

If you are replying to a particular post, you should quote them or include the poster’s name otherwise we don’t know who you are replying to.

Are you advocating that the Army is used against civilians ?

I saw a clip and they were both splashing each other. I think the RNLI were trying to get them to move back. Not sure who splashed first. One comment said it was like a Monty python sketch.

Edit - ok I’ve rewatched the clip and the protestor splashes first. Clearly the RNLI wasn’t going to stand for it.

I don’t accept your premise that all these things follow automatically from stopping the boats.

I feel our society is currently heading towards a state of collapse, and our “economy” may be fine but not to the benefit of many of our citizens.

How many thousands of men coming here is acceptable? Do you think the types of men - illiterate, low-skilled - are going to benefit the country economically? The only “benefit” they bring is lining the pockets of interpreters/accommodation providers and of course lawyers.

You’re not going to get anywhere without some issues, but those three countries have found bipartisan support for hardline immigration measures.

And what you claim in your earlier post would happen, hasn’t.

Europe was demanding we had to sign up to Schengen

We had an opt out in place. Links to support this claim?

And re Turkey, all EU members have a veto on new accessions, they weren’t even close to meeting the requirements to be able to join.

Tell me you know nothing about how the EU actually works without telling you me you know nothing about how the EU actually works. You bought the scaremongering and didn’t check the facts.

People are drowning at the moment. Presumably, to use your tactic, you are happy or at least indifferent to that?

Just watched the video where the organiser guy keeps announcing his name to the police and then throws up. Then tells his mate in the sea he’ll need a blanket as they’re gonna be there for a while.
What the hell. Embarrassing. Apparently he has a prison record for attempting kidnap. How nice.

Zero can't happen overnight. The numbers are going down significantly, and now France and the UK are bringing in more changes and more border personnel as we type.

It seems bizarre that protests are ramping up exactly when we're seeing results from both governments.

Quote " If you join an organisation which is helping people arrive on boats, you will helping people arrive on boats, not helping stop them."

SOLAS ( International law), Ch V reg 33.

" The master of a ship at sea which is in a position to be able to provide assistance, on receiving information from any source that persons are in distress at sea, is bound to proceed with all speed to their assistance, if possible informing them or the search and rescue service that the ship is doing so. This obligation to provide assistance applies regardless of the nationality or status of such persons or the circumstances in which they are found. If the ship receiving the distress alert is unable or, in the special circumstances of the case, considers it unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed to their assistance, the master must enter in the log-book the reason for failing to proceed to the assistance of the persons in distress, taking into account the recommendation of the Organization to inform the appropriate search and rescue service accordingly."

It is actually illegal under international law not to render assistance if in a position to help. Are you suggesting that UK orgs that sign on to uphold the law just ignore it ?

There is also article 98 of UNCLOS that applies to states. I wont quote it again, I already posted it up thread.

That isn’t my premise at all.
There are posters on this thread that have implied that civil unrest is a valid and needed response against the boars because the government is actively encouraging them. That these same protesters would not join the army or the uk border force because they actively encourage boats or that they might do if it they couldt jsut act to close our borders and not involve ourselves in other countries wars etc etc. The implication being that we should isolate ourselves and look after our selves and no one else. In my view that ignores that fact that actually we are unable to survive independently of other nations and that it’s a good think to be part of a global society. And that includes co operation on asylum seekers.

“Daniel Thomas, 37, was jailed for two years in 2016 after bursting into a man’s house with two others, armed with knives, and shouting: “You’re coming with us.”

They wrongly alleged that the man had stolen £10,000 of drugs from them in what the judge called an “extraordinarily frightening incident” matched only by its “stupidity”.

The Times on the man leading the activity in Portsmouth.

I do completely agree that stupid men are a problem.

Do you not understand the difference between being in the UK and in a third country?

And they are not detained in this country. They are being freely housed around the country. You know this.

Try harder. You know that if the boats were just left without assistance more people would die.

They aren’t. But ok.

Oh dear, all the things I could tell you about UKraine, as sadly, I have experience with my own British son. Most of the front line fighting is done by foreign young men joining legions to fight in Ukraine, and mercenary groups.

People are so blinkered to the world, and modern war, it’s frightening (although, I wish I was still blinkered).

Oh and it’s money that they go for. Especially men from South America who go there to fight in their droves.

Well, come and visit me then. You would see a different picture. Dm me, we’ll arrange it and you can see for yourself.

If people genuinely voted for Brexit because they didn't understand veto powers, then that is very sad.

Do you honestly believe the only way to discourage and stop the boats is to leave people to drown? You can’t see that the way people are dealt with once they arrive is encouraging the arrival of thousands of young men? You don’t think what happens in France is relevant? You don’t believe there are any ways to discourage these crossings other than leaving people to drown?

I think that by making some of the choices on your lists we would avoid some of the problems you mention. For example most of the civil unrest is due to issues, true or perceived, stemming from immigration.

The RNLI aren't responsible for government policy. They don't judge which people to save.

I don’t think it is though. I think that’s what it’s dressed up as.

We really need an offshore processing space. We need to remove the carrots. And the more European countries take a hard line, the more will be making for Britain.