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Does anyone know what's going on in Dover?

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YourWatermelonship · 05/09/2026 11:09

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmwyzxlzxpzgt
Hundreds of masked protesters dressed in black disrupting Dover port.

They bear an unfortunate resemblance to the blackshirts

Port of Dover delays: Miles of traffic as protesters block roads

Traffic is being stopped from going in and out of the port because of a demonstration by a large group of masked protesters, with ferry services operating with some delay.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmwyzxlzxpzgt

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EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:02

MsJinks · 08/09/2026 12:38

I’m not saying accept too high numbers - I may think open borders could be great in theory of a lovely global society, but accept today’s world could not do this.

It’s difficult to put numbers on though due to ever increasing volatility of war, climate etc. I recognise people may want this and to see a cost/benefit type analysis but equally we can’t refuse a genuine asylum claim as oh you’re the one over the limit. And how do we return those over the limit just because - to certain death in some cases.

I’d like to see a larger acceptance across countries that these people exist, are human, and we can take action to support - if we stopped bombing places that’d be a start, but that won’t happen I know.

Discussion about improving the camps and situation of folk around Jordan with millions of people could be one thing.

Discussion of what to do in advance - for example when Kabul fell tbh this could have been anticipated and organised earlier across countries. Countries did work together to support people leaving but at a stage when it was dangerous and chaotic. Yes, again no one can legislate for the mess we and others ultimately caused and that won’t stop either.

Discussion across a sort of coalition of the willing to share support and homes would be good. Each country taking responsibility and fairer share - though U.K. would possibly actively have to take more tbh as we are low on numbers of asylum claims compared to a lot of countries.

But no one can guarantee asylum seekers numbers tbh. We did for Afghanistan say 20k, and Syria, but then there’s those still in dire need that will attempt to travel here anyway - it’s just so difficult to cap at a number.

But asylum costs 0.2% of government budget last time I looked, I imagine it’s decreased - it’s not the massive issue folk think - or the further right have encouraged people to think.

I don’t think the electorate is there. The current system feels too strained as is.

if you say we can’t tell, but not too high, but if there’s another person and we can’t say no it sounds too uncontrollable.

And crimes do occur which I find too hard to accept as ok.

If I were to design a system which I think would go down better it would be stop deaths at sea and do the Ukrainian type process. That means vetting and public will. If people want to help we do humanitarian visas.

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:10

Scale up legal and safe routes, I agree with that.

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:12

If people want legal routes they’ll need to opt out of international laws or create a deterrent, or it’ll just be both legal and irregular routes.

MsJinks · 08/09/2026 13:15

Just read Tommo’s statement on his Patriots’ aims and intent - frightening.

I suggest those supporting their actions read it too.

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:21

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:12

If people want legal routes they’ll need to opt out of international laws or create a deterrent, or it’ll just be both legal and irregular routes.

Why would the UK need to opt out of international laws?

The UK already has a few established safe routes.

And why do we need to create deterrents? If people can claim asylum via safe routes, they do not need to cross the Channel to get onto British soil.

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:25

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:21

Why would the UK need to opt out of international laws?

The UK already has a few established safe routes.

And why do we need to create deterrents? If people can claim asylum via safe routes, they do not need to cross the Channel to get onto British soil.

Because unless your safe routes allow everyone who wants to come the ability to do so (if they meet the criteria) then international law still applies.

If you cap it in any way they can arrive on shore for processing.

If you can envisage how many safe routes are needed to meet demand then you’ll need that.

If you can’t meet the demand you’ll get both methods of entry.

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:29

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:25

Because unless your safe routes allow everyone who wants to come the ability to do so (if they meet the criteria) then international law still applies.

If you cap it in any way they can arrive on shore for processing.

If you can envisage how many safe routes are needed to meet demand then you’ll need that.

If you can’t meet the demand you’ll get both methods of entry.

Safe routes do not allow everyone who wants to come to do so. They still have to apply and go to through the process.

They will only be allowed to travel to the UK when their asylum claim has been approved.

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:32

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:29

Safe routes do not allow everyone who wants to come to do so. They still have to apply and go to through the process.

They will only be allowed to travel to the UK when their asylum claim has been approved.

Yes as I put who meet the criteria.

Is there a limit to the applications you’d say yes to if they meet the criteria?

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:39

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:32

Yes as I put who meet the criteria.

Is there a limit to the applications you’d say yes to if they meet the criteria?

I am still confused what you are trying to say.

According to google
The UK cannot legally set a numerical limit or ban on people applying for asylum due to international treaty obligations, but it can restrict the rights, duration, and support granted to applicants

Is that why you want to leave international laws?

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:41

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:39

I am still confused what you are trying to say.

According to google
The UK cannot legally set a numerical limit or ban on people applying for asylum due to international treaty obligations, but it can restrict the rights, duration, and support granted to applicants

Is that why you want to leave international laws?

Ik numbers get shunned but can you envisage how many applications you’ll get from o/s for the safe routes?

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:43

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:41

Ik numbers get shunned but can you envisage how many applications you’ll get from o/s for the safe routes?

No, I cannot. But I don't think it will be many more and it will reduce boat crossing. Applications don't mean approvals.

Anyway, shall we get back to the thread topic?

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:44

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:43

No, I cannot. But I don't think it will be many more and it will reduce boat crossing. Applications don't mean approvals.

Anyway, shall we get back to the thread topic?

It would be far higher, that’s the problem.

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:47

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:44

It would be far higher, that’s the problem.

You don't know that though.

Unless you can back it up?

And the problem is 'undocumented men arriving by boat' That is what the Dover protest was about, 'stop the boats'

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:52

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:47

You don't know that though.

Unless you can back it up?

And the problem is 'undocumented men arriving by boat' That is what the Dover protest was about, 'stop the boats'

Why do you believe it’s fixed? Can you back that up?

What’s your process? If someone is in a war zone and can access a form online can they apply?

If so can you see how it will impact numbers given how hard it is to find a trafficker, pay them, suffer violence and risk on the way.

You’d have to consider how many in Sudan would apply, Eritrea, Pakistan, so many countries before believing you can meet the demand.

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:58

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 13:52

Why do you believe it’s fixed? Can you back that up?

What’s your process? If someone is in a war zone and can access a form online can they apply?

If so can you see how it will impact numbers given how hard it is to find a trafficker, pay them, suffer violence and risk on the way.

You’d have to consider how many in Sudan would apply, Eritrea, Pakistan, so many countries before believing you can meet the demand.

I haven't said it is fixed.

And I keep mentioning that people will have to go through the asylum process

It does stop the shouts of 'undocumented men entering the UK'

EasternStandard · 08/09/2026 14:00

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:58

I haven't said it is fixed.

And I keep mentioning that people will have to go through the asylum process

It does stop the shouts of 'undocumented men entering the UK'

It doesn’t because if it’s easy to apply you’d not be able to say yes to everyone who meets the criteria and any nos can arrive at the shore.

ladylioness · 08/09/2026 15:29

LlynTegid · 05/09/2026 12:13

Just ask one of the senior members of Reform to condemn this, and see what response you get.

Yes does remind me of the group supported by the Daily Mail in 1936.

Nigel Farage condemned it.

OneLilacHedgehog · 08/09/2026 16:20

ladylioness · 08/09/2026 15:29

Nigel Farage condemned it.

No he didn't. He condemned the wearing of balaclavas to intimidate people. He thinks stopping local people getting to work is fine.

2dogsandabudgie · 08/09/2026 18:11

MsJinks · 08/09/2026 13:15

Just read Tommo’s statement on his Patriots’ aims and intent - frightening.

I suggest those supporting their actions read it too.

Do you have a link?

Clavinova · 08/09/2026 21:32

MsJinks · 08/09/2026 12:41

They did this to a Canon in Doncaster who wasn’t that happy with racist chants outside his church, in the church grounds actually, so stood next to counter protesters peacefully - easy target though to find.

This is abhorrent here - I hope that as RNLI is a very popular institution it becomes an own goal. They really are the lowest of the low and I how the workers are ok.

I read that the canon arranged bell-ringing practice to coincide with speeches of a pre-arranged protest. He did look a bit smug to be honest.

TangyChina · 08/09/2026 23:15

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2026 13:47

You don't know that though.

Unless you can back it up?

And the problem is 'undocumented men arriving by boat' That is what the Dover protest was about, 'stop the boats'

I think it's pretty obvious that it will be far higher ?

MsJinks · 09/09/2026 00:22

Clavinova · 08/09/2026 21:32

I read that the canon arranged bell-ringing practice to coincide with speeches of a pre-arranged protest. He did look a bit smug to be honest.

Well yes the bells were rung - as happens every single Saturday for practice as it goes - yes it upset the Christian’s protesting - go figure! He also went out and stood with the counter group.

Of course, if he looked smug about it he absolutely should be threatened in his church to the point several police had to attend and doxxed online with calls for violence against him.

MsJinks · 09/09/2026 00:27

2dogsandabudgie · 08/09/2026 18:11

Do you have a link?

I don’t want to share it on my account to here but it’s available on X I believe - I saw it on fb and it was open. Search Danny Thomas and his profile is open - it’s a post yesterday.

2dogsandabudgie · 09/09/2026 11:29

MsJinks · 09/09/2026 00:27

I don’t want to share it on my account to here but it’s available on X I believe - I saw it on fb and it was open. Search Danny Thomas and his profile is open - it’s a post yesterday.

I don't have X and he has loads of videos on Facebook.

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