Does anyone know what's going on in Dover?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmwyzxlzxpzgt
Hundreds of masked protesters dressed in black disrupting Dover port.

They bear an unfortunate resemblance to the blackshirts

If you think employers would go over t(e minimum for unskilled work anyway…
Not all immigrants want unskilled work. Many are highly skilled.

The reporting has impressed me. The "masked men" wording is a good sign. It's not women, people or protestors.
And yes, I'd love to know what criminal changes that lot have. (Same goes for some of the men who come in on boats, dodgy ones in them too).

Yaxley Lennon and Tommo have both been convicted for violence. I think the convictions the two of them have include attempted kidnapping, assault and stalking.

They’re not altruistic people who care about the safety of others. They are violent men who have found a great money-making grift in stirring up others.

The people who support them are either like them or happy to overlook their violent histories. Faux concern about VAWG is part of the grift.

All those masked men/people standing menacingly do not align with me as a decent British person.

The recent news from Middlesbrough of white youths killing two policemen, area riddled with drugs and organised crime does not align with me as a decent British person.
Women being physically abused in the Reform Party Conference, do not align with my British values either.

What shall we do with all of them?

The majority are not though, they are doing jobs that benefits claimants could easily be trained to do. People try to break the Reform surge down to racism and other simplified concepts, I don"t agree with that, people know what big banks and Big Corp and the EU are up to, but you can"t vote them out, you can refuse credit and stop buying certain items and vote Brexit etc etc. but that is a drop in the ocean because there is always another wave of consumers coming just gagging for debt tokens to spend (India is now in the grip of a credit card/debt binge that is fucking up lots of financially gullible people who just want to look cool on their social media "doing" all the global travel spots etc. and generally spending beyond their means) and another wave of immigrants looking for a better standard of living and willing to do anything to get residence in a country like the UK, the corporates/politicians are going to exploit that and I believe the average Reform voter has sympathy for people who are just a cog in a banker"s machine, but they also understand that the UK can no longer carry on being a Bread basket to the world. You takes some control back from the big players by voting to curtail one of their main tools - Mass Uncontrolled Immigration, the public know they are being treated like cattle in a global casino and they have had enough.

The majority are not though, they are doing jobs that benefits claimants could easily be trained to do.

Such as?

And who do you mean with benefit claimants? They are not one homogeneous group claiming the same benefits.

Not a perfect answer. Don’t be silly

Indeed. A lot of benefits claimants have mental health problems that decades of underfunding from the Tories have cemented in the long term unemployed. There are also no council houses because Maggie sold them to renters of council houses who then made huge profits on them. A lot of those same profiteers are now outraged their own kids can't get housing like they did, without joining the dots.

We are building substandard new housing because for decades the Tories, funded by JCB and building firms, have resisted making any changes that drop their huge profits, even if it is to save the planet we all live on.

Then have a look at how AI is filtering women out of the jobs market. All of these are the real reasons people are angry. They just don't want to admit they voted to get punched in the face time and again.

Name some jobs that immigrants are doing that people already living here can"t do?

There are more than enough houses, London is awash with unsold flats, they are too expensive because of a massive debt experiment that is now blowing up.

Doctors, architects, translators...do you really need a list of all jobs that many people on benefits can't do that other people can?

Indeed, so why did the tories insist they built them? £££
Why did they ship out the poor into areas like Kent to enable this? £££
Nothing to do with immigrants.
We are the ones with the crappy homes that have sink holes, built on flood planes and with cracks that appear after a year - the poor suckers who like to "buy new" or get rehomed into them cheaply by the London boroughs. Of course they aren't fit to live in through climate change, but who cares? Not the builders or the Tories who enabled it.
Nothing to do with immigrants.

All jobs then?

Training people to do jobs suitable for them is fine with me, it will need proper investment and time,

That doesn't mean we don't need immigrants.

Speaking of protecting women and children, do you not find it odd that men coming here on boats are from places apparently far too dangerous for them to live in. They ‘need asylum’ because of this danger, yet they leave behind their mothers, wives, sisters and young sons and daughters to fend for themselves in these terribly dangerous places.

And we’re meant to think they’re lovely, kind, considerate men who care about the welfare of women and children.

Make it make sense please.

So a teenager from the UK can"t train to be a Doctor or a translator? No wonder Reform are on the rise if this is the level of argument against their common sense. And BTW I didn"t mention having to be on benefits although I"m sure plenty of people on benefits could potentially train to be these things you mention.

I have to say I would have been terrified ,don't know who they are and could be terrorists.
Nasty.
And I agree with stopping the boats ! This is awful.

So why do you think the average immigrant is so much better trained than the average person already here, and do you think they are trained in multiple disciplines or just very fast learners, much quicker than the benefits dross who vote Reform, or do you have a sensible answer?

Where have I said that? You are making stuff up now

Training takes time and in the meantime we need people doing those jobs.

The UK has controlled immigration.

the public know they are being treated like cattle in a global casino and they have had enough.
Most people don't think this. Most people don't vote for Reform.

Dappy that's a very interesting post thank you .

People should feel autonomy in their lives and have choices and you are right, the choices for some unelected leaders have made have changed people's community and lives beyond recognition.

The most recent flood of people from Africa/Asia was supposedly to enter social care, you can train on the job and need basic common sense/people skills, there was also a lot of people on study visas, another massive scam to prop up failed Universities, the first massive flood of people was from EE and many did land/farm work, I know people who were paid off because Polish workers would do the job cheaper (good exchange rate for the UK back then, not now so most gone home) You are in denial if you think people are on the streets of the UK regularly now protesting "controlled immigration".

Yes, it is by far the most interesting and informative post on the thread, even including mine.

What recent 'flood'?

People on the streets are protesting asylum seekers/refugees and even that is controlled. Why do you think we have an asylum claim system?

And riot is a better word. Have you seen the violence involved?

The AC system is broken, people should not be housed in hotels and new-build houses before they are processed properly, the majority are not genuine asylum seekers, they are economic refugees, which is fair enough but the UK is not a Bread basket to the World, it is a broken Ponzi scheme run by a fake PM.

Thank you. Women in Afghanistan are living under horrendous restrictions and yet it’s their husbands/fathers/sons/brothers who are leaving them to it. What a bunch of cowards those men are.