Does anyone know what's going on in Dover?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cmwyzxlzxpzgt
Hundreds of masked protesters dressed in black disrupting Dover port.

They bear an unfortunate resemblance to the blackshirts

Really? Because it’s been an interest of mine since I wrote my dissertation on violence against women in the 80s and I’ve never seen this suggested, never mind proved. Could you point me to some links or books/journals that I could read?

The vast majority of data from Womens Aid, the ONS and many others shows that the greatest threat of violence to women comes from partners or men known to them. This is not generally questioned. Statistically, this means British men are overwhelmingly responsible for violent crimes, not illegal immigrants.

I’m not inclined to spend time pulling specific links—especially as you've done your own dissertation which proves you more than capable of doing so yourself. A real understanding, as you'll agree, requires studying a wide range of actual crime statistics, so I’ll leave you to explore the academic research and come to your own conclusions.

I’ve actually mentioned in an earlier post I have concerns around both illegal and legal immigration and a lack of integration.

I’m not against all immigration but I also see towns like Dewsbury in Yorkshire and Nelson in Lancashire which are so far from the cosmopolitan, liberal utopian idea of diversity that the senior public sector professionals I know in those areas are voting Reform.

Perhaps we need immigrants for the workforce due to an aging population but many of the areas with the highest numbers of immigrants also have high unemployment.

I’ve also expressed concerns about unvetted men coming into the country.

There is conversation to be had and action to be taken but a few blokes dressing up in black, blocking roads and shouting slogans is just noise.

Getting involved politically, lobbying, asking questions and exploring solutions has far more impact than yelling on social media or in the street.

I may not agree with most of what Rupert Lowe says but unlike the rabble-rousing grifters he has effectively used the democratic process and has a mandate from his constituents. Yaxley Lennon and Tommo make a lot of noise, cause unrest but achieve little other than stirring hatred and division.

I support the right to protest but personally believe that intelligent activism gains more support and influences the wider population better than intimidation and thuggery.

I feel the same way about aggressive, intolerant people who try to bully and intimidate people whether they are on the right or the left of the political spectrum.

You do realise anti fascist is everyone who fought and or died a hero in the second world war? Women in munitions factories, people sheltering in the underground?

I have never seen people dressed like this in socialist circles ..they are aware of the history and menace of this attitude to other people..whether from the UK or abroad

Actually my conclusion of all of this is that a lot of men, wherever they may be from, need to do better and start learning to properly respect women as people.

In some teenage circles they are accepted clothing, someone told me recently that AB is going to ban them in public places, good luck with that. No idea what this thing is about, only knew about it when I saw this thread, there could be many reasons for the face coverings, remember Canada and the woke control freak government during the trucker strikes, people being de-banked etc. for supporting them? To be fair that was done digitally by monitoring transactions, but a lot of people now are sick of being watched by cameras every time they step outside.
Maybe it is intimidation, a threat of vigilante action maybe? Things seem to be hotting up in Glasgow recently on this front but if you read the thread on here recently about Glasgow there was a woman saying she feels unsafe in Glasgow city centre at 10pm, and it isn"t because of neds it was because of large groups of people with interesting cultural ideas about how you can approach females in the street, there was also noise about immigrants getting too many council houses in Glasgow and people getting very angry about this, the last few protests there have resulted in non-whites being attacked in the street in some areas.

I’m confused. I was asking for evidence that most DV perpetrated by British men was perpetrated by those we have ‘handed out’ passports to. I know iIt’s mostly British men. I know it’s mostly men we know who assault us even when it’s not DV. I’m asking for evidence it’s those not born British who are perpetrating most of it (even proportionately).

Is that what this thing in Dover is about? Or how do you connect the two things?

I think the reply thread has confused us and we are actually on the same page. I'm confused too now. And tired! I think I need to leave this thread for a nap!

Well yes. The problem is men. Men from all over the world. We supposedly live in a country where men know to respect women - but they don't.

My DD experienced considerable harrassment in our small, very white little town, going to and from school. From white British men.

And just as not all white British men have these attitudes, nor do all men from other countries. It's the generalisations that are so deeply objectionable.

Rupert Lowe btw is not an example of reasoned debate. He mistook a charity rowing group for a small immigrant boat because he was stupid enough to think that immigrants would actually cross from France to Great Yarmouth. He's also the one who referred to Dunblane as 'a murder' and lamented the UK's tight gun laws because his daddy couldn't shoot competitively any more. He's just another pathetic out of touch rich man.

@NervousSheepy i think you have mistaken me for someone else as you rep,ied to me above as though I was blaming immigrants. Here’s the exchange which led to the last comment of mine you (confusingly) quoted.

Edit. Cross post. Yes. That’s ok then! I’d still like @Letthemeatcakeandicecream to provide evidence for her assertion though

There has been a shift in the demographics and nationalities of immigranrs since Brexit but that is what people voted for.

We do need immigration for economic growth.

I do think illegal small boat crossings need to be stopped and indeed they have reduced in numbers.

I do not agree with demonising and criminalising every single immigrant, asylum seeker and refugee. But that is the way with far-right groups, reductive arguments that make whole groups in society into scapegoats for the unhappy and the poor.

Make asylum seekers or those on benefits the enemy, let's all blame them, not those in power. Let's say all asylum seekers are murderers and rapists because a tiny, tiny minority are criminals and let's pretend that we're doing this for the women and children, not because we're racists.

And I am far more scared of the type of ignorant thug who would dress in black, cover his face, and gather in an intimidating group to - ha ha - 'protest'.

Least other places away from Dover are much safer today with all the thugs in one place....They are doing their bit for women and girls by all congregating in one place so the towns they come from are a bit safer without them in it.

Yes, but the country was empty then.

I have seen many Antifa, anti-racist and counter demonstrators from the supposed left dress in black complete with face coverings and masks. Anyone who is familiar with the Let Women Speak gatherings will be familiar with this mode of dress, it’s not purely a right wing thing but does seem to be favoured by angry, aggressive men who wish to intimidate and shut others down.

Farage agrees with you, he said recently that it is far too difficult and expensive for legal immigrants to come to the UK, he wants the paperwork simplified and speeded up, and made less expensive.

Noises, not facts.

People getting angry so they set houses on fire? And that is somehow understandable?

And of course balaclavas are not accepted headwear, they aren't worn for religious reasons. Women aren't covering up to intimidate.

I loathe Nigel Farage and wouldn't vote Reform in a million years but, compared with some on the far right, he's beginning to look like the acceptable face of fascism.

I'm a woman. I don't need an illiterate thug to do anything for me

this is the 21st century. I'm not my husbands property

It seems they are, for thugs on bikes and scooters, the Antifa and these men today, whatever they were.

Obviously the irony of complaining about burkas and niqabs will be lost on these protestors.

"We do need immigration for economic growth."

Exactly what the CEO of a big corporate would say. Immigration is way down the list, we need a house price crash so that basic property is affordable to working people allowing them to spend into the real economy instead of paying mortgage debt interest to a bank, we need less people on welfare, we need to stop letting young people believe that 50k debt for a bit of paper has any real world relevance and get then trained in actual skills that people need, and as a country we need to start actually making things again instead of being an economy based on housing debt.

The antifa?

I am an anti fascist but don't have a balaclava.

I wasn't talking about cheap labour

We have an aging population and a falling birth rate.