Lindsay Clancy confession

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How do you feel about the confession from Lindsay Clancy only being made after the professionals told her what she did upon coming around from her coma?

I definitely thought she made a confession, but it seems like there’s a huge doubt on that detail actually. It seems like when she woke she didn’t remember anything, and she was “informed” of what she had done and her confession followed this.

The prosecution do not have to prove she committed the crime.

Of course they do.
Do you not understand the basic fundamentals of a trial?

No they don’t, she’s not on trial to determine if she did it or not.

They know she did it.

She’s on trial to determine if she’s criminally responsible for her actions.

You’re incorrect, a trial is to establish if someone committed the crime or not.
The jury is still perfectly able to decide on a not guilty verdict, the prosecution do still have to prove she committed the crime. It’s not some sort of special trial that legally assumes guilt without a verdict.
I’m not saying a not guilty verdict is likely but it’s still entirely possible within the legal parameters.

‘a trial is to establish if someone committed the crime or not’

Correct.

However the crime in question is not, ‘Is Lindsey Clancy guilty of murdering her children?’

They’re not seeking to prove that - They know she did.

The crime in this case, ‘Is she criminally responsible for killing her chikdren?’

Of course they have to prove it, the jury still have the option of a not guilty verdict, as well as not guilty by reason of insanity.

They’re not seeking to prove that - They know she did.

Who knows?? The jury don’t know, why would the jury take the prosecutions word for it without them proving it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vgv4kr49o

No.
Look at the options open to the jurors.
Not guilty - read it - it doesn’t mean not guilty as in she didn’t do it, it’s means not guilty as in she did it but wasn’t criminally responsible.

She’s never disputed doing it therefore the defense don’t need to prove it.

Sorry need to correct my above post as it won’t let me edit, the prosecution don’t need to prove it.

She has never said she didn’t do it.
Her defence aren’t saying she didn’t do it.
Her husband or nobody else is on trial for the possibility of doing it.

She did it.

Not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity are two separate possible verdicts.

The prosecution always need to prove that the person accused actually did it, that’s literally the whole point of a trial.
You clearly don’t understand the basics here so I’m not going to reply with the same thing again.

I dont think she had psychosis at all - she heard voices for just the time it took her to kill
her children in a horribly violent way. She is mentally unwell. depressed. Or maybe resentful of all the work of three kids and a not very helpful husband.

Hahahahahaha

Was just about to say the same to you.

I think you could benefit from reading the trial again.
BOTH sides have already agreed to the fact she did it.

I’ve been watching the Parachute murder on netflix and the Chris Watts documentary and others. There are many parallels and something doesn’t sit right with me, but must be confusing as hell for the jury because there’s a great deal of very strong circumstantial evidence against Lindsay, but that doesn’t make her guilty and it could also arguably provide an easy cover story for someone who wanted her to take a hit. Within a year of the death of his three children he was in a relationship with someone who he has now married. And is giving sympathetic evidence supporting the mental health evidence in L’s trial.
There are missing pieces in this investigation, I’m not sure what, but there are.

That's exactly what Andrea Yates did and she was clearly in psychosis. You can be methodical and systematic whilst in psychosis.

theres an interpretive aspect to determining a diagnosis based on hallucinations, delusions,
behaviours, etc. There’s no conclusive brain scan or any diagnostic tool to show that someone is in psychosis. It’s subjective and in retrospective cases based on say so.
Many Broadmoor patients have different clinical views expressed about them. Half a dozen different psychologists worked with Ian Brady and they all had different opinions on what his psychological issues were. Some said psychosis, some said personality disorder.

I agree it's a bit of a leap to suggest he did it but I also know enough to realise that it's by no means out of the realms of possibility that it was just accepted she did it and no proper investigation took place. I can see why people are questioning that.

FWIW my view is that she did it but was in psychosis at the time.

In this particular case, under Massachusetts law, the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show that she was legally sane at the time of the killings.

Yes?
Hence why I said criminally responsible for the actions she committed.

I’m not really sure why you’ve quoted me.

She also exhibited psychosis before the murders. I don’t think LC had one episode, in which she murdered the children in a systematic fashion and the tried to kill herself. I think it was murder suicide and she has a great (showy) lawyer and the benefit of the Karen Read effect of lots of media and female support.

Sounds like it’s going to be a mistrial and retrial.

Crazy to think if she was getting tried in the U.K. or in the USA before 2020 judge would have accepted a majority verdict and seeing as it seems it’s 11 jurors that think she’s not guilty then that would have been the verdict.

Also, did she pick the restaurant, or is that just what Patrick said happened?

Didn’t that happen the other way round with Karen Read and YNW Melly?

"Also, did she pick the restaurant, or is that just what Patrick said happened?"

She sent him there and her digital footprint showed she had researched the journey time from their home before she did.

How did they fail her? Given she apparently had 3 doctors she dm'd and who answered her several times a day with detailed answers. On top of the 10+ she visited.

And given she never told any of them about any thoughts of harming the kids.

How was it not a good concoction/combination? Given the prescribed pill bottles were found to be almost entirely full, ie not taken by her?

Patricks old reddit account was found today, he sounds very much like he was supportive and trying to help Lindsay.

I watched the hearing on YouTube with Patrick on the stand. Its quite long around 2 hours. Her mental health was well known from 2022 and LC did state that she felt as though she would harm her kids on more than 1 occasions. I am not sure how it all works to get sectioned in America...... but she did need sectioning. She was having paranoid thoughts too.