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Terror attack on Berlin Pride

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HermioneWeasley · 26/07/2026 09:17

police are looking for a suspect with Islamist links.

yesterday I saw that islamic bookshops run by the Muslim brotherhood (who are banned in Egypt and I think the UAE) are bringing “workers” over on skilled worker visas. The UAE has stopped government scholarships to British universities because they are worried about their young people being radicalised here!

islamic terrorism is a problem. 75% of Mi5’s watch list are Muslim.

how do we remain a safe and tolerant place for the many peaceful Muslims while still retaining our values and safety?

Berlin Pride attack: suspect named after one killed and 16 injured

www.thetimes.com/article/470b9315-80aa-4c5f-92e5-2bc2ef91b02b?shareToken=2f519edb5016673a387a427079f51e9d

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cupfinalchaos · 26/07/2026 12:46

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 12:23

Because we are not dealing with it
We
wait till something bad happens and then react
We deny that traumatising environments exist and turn a blind eye

Short term solutions don’t lead to a long term gain. We ( and I mean the wider world ) need to deal with the root cause.

I wish it was that simple. This particular incident was at a Pride event. You won’t be able to change their mentality whatever you do. They want world dominance, for all to adopt their way of life and will stop at nothing and are willing to die, and for their children to die for it. Israel have been saying it for years. All was well while it was tucked away ‘somewhere in the middle east’. Now they’re coming for us.

SpaceRaccoon · 26/07/2026 12:47

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 12:42

denying the scientific effect of trauma and malnutrition particularly pre natal and early years

is partly ( some would definitely say mainly )
why we are where we are

Convenient. Anything to support the "some groups have no agency" theory.

Alternativelyviewed · 26/07/2026 12:48

@cupfinalchaos we have been subject to terror attacks for years.
Remember the dodgy mosques and abu Hamza hook man

Damnthatmouse · 26/07/2026 12:48

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 12:42

denying the scientific effect of trauma and malnutrition particularly pre natal and early years

is partly ( some would definitely say mainly )
why we are where we are

Can you use that science on homegrown? Reportedly he was born in germany, so what's the excuse we should use here for the poor soul?

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 12:48

Defoncforthis · 26/07/2026 12:44

Google it. But if you can't be bothered:-

The statistics regarding MI5's active caseload and the wider national database originate from two distinct primary sources: official intelligence threat updates provided directly by MI5 leadership, and parliamentary evidence compiled from independent reviews of terrorism legislation.
The specific origins of both figures break down as follows:

  1. The 75% Active Caseload Figure
This data comes directly from official public statements and annual threat updates delivered by the Director-General of MI5, Sir Ken McCallum. 1, 2]
  • The Source: In these regular addresses, the head of MI5 explicitly outlines the agency's live operational landscape to the public and the media. 1, 2]
  • What it means: When MI5 refers to this percentage, they are describing their "live" workload—the high-priority, active investigations into individuals or cells currently plotting attacks or actively facilitating terrorism. In recent years, this active pool has consistently remained split at roughly 75% Islamist extremism and 25% extreme right-wing terrorism. 1, 2]
  1. The ~90% (39,000 out of 43,000) Watchlist Figure
This information originates from Home Office data and independent think-tank analysis submitted directly to UK Parliamentary Committees. 1, 2]
  • The Source: The specific figure stating that as many as 39,000 out of the 43,000 individuals on the broader watchlist are Islamist extremists was published in a comprehensive counter-terrorism report titled Modern-Day Britain's Terror Threat by the henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/modern-day-britains-terror-threat/&ved=2ahUKEwitzMTKofCVAxWZQUEAHSxuJjIQy_kOegYIAAgTEAI&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw2-5VyQyU3bfgOPcpDnON0X&ust=1785152542426000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Henry Jackson Society. This data was subsequently submitted as formal written evidence to UK Parliament Committees assessing the nation's security landscape. 1, 2]
  • What it means: This total reflects the broader, cumulative database of potential threats. It heavily draws from historical re-checks conducted by intelligence services following the 2017 terror attacks. This database includes a massive volume of "Closed Subjects of Interest" (CSOIs)—individuals who were flagged, flagged-and-vetted, or investigated during the height of Islamic State and Al-Qaeda recruitment eras, but who are not under active, daily surveillance today. 1, 2]

and this is why countries need to get to the route cause

OhBotherSaidPoo · 26/07/2026 12:49

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 11:13

Instability and war around the world leading to illegal immigration is the area to be focussed on
Pre natal malnutrition and trauma leads to long-term behavioural changes, ( it’s an scientific fact ) including a higher risk of aggression and emotional regulation issues in adulthood.

We can’t solve all the world problems but we need to recognise the issues beyond
’some communities are just bad’…
it just isn’t as simple as that.

When we look at what Israel is doing in Gaza they are creating a future generation of traumatised and potentially dangerous individuals. We, the U.K., and most countries around the world are not standing up to that.

Our modus operandi will be to blame the very people we are abandoning
and then we will wonder, again, why they are being aggressive into the future again and again

Ah yes, how do we turn an Islamic terrorist attack on gay people in Germany into a jew bashing. It's so utterly predictable.

cupfinalchaos · 26/07/2026 12:50

Alternativelyviewed · 26/07/2026 12:48

@cupfinalchaos we have been subject to terror attacks for years.
Remember the dodgy mosques and abu Hamza hook man

Absolutely.. but it’s getting a hell if a lot worse and we’ve seen nothing yet.

Defoncforthis · 26/07/2026 12:50

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 12:48

and this is why countries need to get to the route cause

Are you actually saying the root cause of islamic terrorism is prenatal nutrition?

JimBobsWife · 26/07/2026 12:51

Alternativelyviewed · 26/07/2026 12:39

Really ? Where is this data from.. I did prevent training a few years ago and the threat from radical Islamists was barley mentioned it seemed more focused on far right groups ? ( Non religious )

What a surprise. Not.

EvagoraY · 26/07/2026 12:52

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 12:11

People In war zones and those being denied basic human needs aren’t in a position to make their own decisions
other than to get out

Your post suggests you do not appreciate the lasting affects of pre and post natal trauma, war and malnutrition

After WW1 in Britain there were lots of traumatised people, lots of ‘ shell shocked’ men suffering from PTSD.

why wasn’t there a spate of violent crimes committed by these people?

can you explain why women in women’s refuges who have been long term abused arent going on to be known violent criminals?

smallglassbottle · 26/07/2026 12:53

I thought it was racist to claim physiological causes for behavioural differences between different groups of people. The vitamins are irrelevant and not responsible for violence. Everyone is equal and has agency over their behaviour.

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 26/07/2026 12:56

@Defoncforthisoh no, how sad. I bet > 4m would agree.

@SpaceRaccoonexactly. Why's it only a certain type of traumatised people that causes mahyem
and death? And yet we invite them in. Madness.

backformoreofthesame · 26/07/2026 12:56

There isn’t data forWW1 aftermath

there is a crime bump after WW2

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 13:00

SpaceRaccoon · 26/07/2026 12:47

Convenient. Anything to support the "some groups have no agency" theory.

Scientifically it doesn’t matter what group it is

There are plenty of scientific papers on this.

here’s a quick Google to show a few of the basics

Historical and Intergenerational Trauma Load
Trauma does not start from a blank slate; it accumulates over generations. []

  • The "Social Curse" and Compound Trauma: Ethnic groups that have historically endured colonization, genocide, or systemic oppression carry a baseline of collective vulnerability. When a new war occurs, it triggers a compounding effect on an already stressed communal psyche.
  • Epigenetic and Neurobiological Changes: Emerging research from institutions like the American Psychological Association and Yale University shows that severe environmental stress, like war and mass starvation, can alter gene expression (epigenetics). These molecular changes affect stress-regulation pathways and can be biologically passed down to future generations, leaving certain lineages more vulnerable to psychological distress.
4. Malnutrition and Brain Development Malnutrition acts as both a physical and psychological multiplier of war trauma.
  • Developmental Vulnerability: If severe food shortages occur during critical developmental windows (like early childhood or pregnancy), it permanently alters brain structure and impairs cognitive and emotional regulation.
  • Disproportional Impact: Because certain ethnic minorities are disproportionately targeted by blockade tactics, scorched-earth warfare, or geographic displacement, they endure much higher rates of severe stunting and developmental trauma than dominant or unaffected groups.

https://www.apa.org/topics/trauma/trauma-survivors-generations

MySnappySloth · 26/07/2026 13:05

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 11:13

Instability and war around the world leading to illegal immigration is the area to be focussed on
Pre natal malnutrition and trauma leads to long-term behavioural changes, ( it’s an scientific fact ) including a higher risk of aggression and emotional regulation issues in adulthood.

We can’t solve all the world problems but we need to recognise the issues beyond
’some communities are just bad’…
it just isn’t as simple as that.

When we look at what Israel is doing in Gaza they are creating a future generation of traumatised and potentially dangerous individuals. We, the U.K., and most countries around the world are not standing up to that.

Our modus operandi will be to blame the very people we are abandoning
and then we will wonder, again, why they are being aggressive into the future again and again

Not our problem.

We and the rest of the world need to address illegal immigration.

Handwringing about non-Islamic people being responsible for the behaviour of terrorists is virtue narcissism at its best.

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 13:05

EvagoraY · 26/07/2026 12:52

After WW1 in Britain there were lots of traumatised people, lots of ‘ shell shocked’ men suffering from PTSD.

why wasn’t there a spate of violent crimes committed by these people?

can you explain why women in women’s refuges who have been long term abused arent going on to be known violent criminals?

Crime rose after WW2

Of note adult criminals, at the time, wouldn't have grown up and been conceived in war.
They would have experienced it as at least teenagers
Long term we see an increase in crimes

SpaceRaccoon · 26/07/2026 13:05

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 13:00

Scientifically it doesn’t matter what group it is

There are plenty of scientific papers on this.

here’s a quick Google to show a few of the basics

Historical and Intergenerational Trauma Load
Trauma does not start from a blank slate; it accumulates over generations. []

  • The "Social Curse" and Compound Trauma: Ethnic groups that have historically endured colonization, genocide, or systemic oppression carry a baseline of collective vulnerability. When a new war occurs, it triggers a compounding effect on an already stressed communal psyche.
  • Epigenetic and Neurobiological Changes: Emerging research from institutions like the American Psychological Association and Yale University shows that severe environmental stress, like war and mass starvation, can alter gene expression (epigenetics). These molecular changes affect stress-regulation pathways and can be biologically passed down to future generations, leaving certain lineages more vulnerable to psychological distress.
4. Malnutrition and Brain Development Malnutrition acts as both a physical and psychological multiplier of war trauma.
  • Developmental Vulnerability: If severe food shortages occur during critical developmental windows (like early childhood or pregnancy), it permanently alters brain structure and impairs cognitive and emotional regulation.
  • Disproportional Impact: Because certain ethnic minorities are disproportionately targeted by blockade tactics, scorched-earth warfare, or geographic displacement, they endure much higher rates of severe stunting and developmental trauma than dominant or unaffected groups.

So what's your excuse for the Manchester bomber, given that he was born in the UK?

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 13:07

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 26/07/2026 12:56

@Defoncforthisoh no, how sad. I bet > 4m would agree.

@SpaceRaccoonexactly. Why's it only a certain type of traumatised people that causes mahyem
and death? And yet we invite them in. Madness.

Please can you post proof it’s only a certain type

All science states otherwise

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 26/07/2026 13:09

@DrPrunesqualervast majority

SpaceRaccoon · 26/07/2026 13:09

Oh look, he's from Lebanon @DrPrunesqualer

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/van-rams-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride-parade-killing-one-2d54f62e

Remind me how terrible war/malnutrition/awful West is to blame?
Lebanon was a perfectly nice country until that Hezbollah infestation.

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 13:11

SpaceRaccoon · 26/07/2026 13:05

So what's your excuse for the Manchester bomber, given that he was born in the UK?

RTT
Im talking about people growing up in war zones
We aren’t in a war zone !

Or perhaps we should talk about all randoms

Your post may be relevant to the thread (?) but it’s not relevant to any of mine

Damnthatmouse · 26/07/2026 13:13

SpaceRaccoon · 26/07/2026 13:09

Oh look, he's from Lebanon @DrPrunesqualer

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/van-rams-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride-parade-killing-one-2d54f62e

Remind me how terrible war/malnutrition/awful West is to blame?
Lebanon was a perfectly nice country until that Hezbollah infestation.

He is from Germany. Not Lebanon. His family is. He is apparently German born

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 13:15

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 26/07/2026 13:09

@DrPrunesqualervast majority

No pressure obviously and no requirement to post evidence
It’s not an exam
Just mumsnet

As you said it though it would be interesting to read the science / proof
that certain brains are different prenatal to be affected so differently

DrPrunesqualer · 26/07/2026 13:17

SpaceRaccoon · 26/07/2026 13:09

Oh look, he's from Lebanon @DrPrunesqualer

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/van-rams-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride-parade-killing-one-2d54f62e

Remind me how terrible war/malnutrition/awful West is to blame?
Lebanon was a perfectly nice country until that Hezbollah infestation.

If you can prove they don’t have long lasting effects as I have posted
then
I’d love to read it

Currently the science is there

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