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Thread 1 Burnham: Esperanza en cada Corazón

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DuncinToffee · 20/07/2026 12:45

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5128gap · 20/07/2026 21:44

illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 21:36

The only reason it’s a problem is because he’s likely to be a top rate taxpayer and top rate taxpayers shouldn’t be in receipt of state benefits.

We don't know he is in receipt of it.

Notonthestairs · 20/07/2026 21:45

TemperanceWest · 20/07/2026 21:17

They have started on Frankie van Heel now. Ripping her appearance to shreds. On a site for women. I despair.

No surprises there. Wafer thin principles.

placemats · 20/07/2026 21:45

It's a favour returned cabinet with those who are willing to work with the Burnham on delivering his agenda and policy.

That's perfectly good.

5128gap · 20/07/2026 21:46

placemats · 20/07/2026 21:36

Well why don't you compliment the way the men dress and look. Especially their shiny hair, that you can take your eyes off and is most distracting.

Andy's eyelashes have recieved much attention.

Llttledrummergirl · 20/07/2026 21:46

IntoTheRoseGarden · 20/07/2026 21:12

Is that Hadrian's Wall?

No, this is part of what remains of the Warsaw ghetto. A reminder of the worst of humanity and a lesson we have yet to learn.

placemats · 20/07/2026 21:46

5128gap · 20/07/2026 21:44

We don't know he is in receipt of it.

But we do know that he would have been able to get it 2 years ago.

DuncinToffee · 20/07/2026 21:47

The appointments are never going to please everyone and that is fine,

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pointythings · 20/07/2026 21:47

That thread about Burnham's wife is low. But they did it to Starmer's wife too when he took power. There's some really scummy people on Mumsnet and I'm actually not at all convinced most of them are women.

TemperanceWest · 20/07/2026 21:49

pointythings · 20/07/2026 21:47

That thread about Burnham's wife is low. But they did it to Starmer's wife too when he took power. There's some really scummy people on Mumsnet and I'm actually not at all convinced most of them are women.

You might be right there.

cardibach · 20/07/2026 21:51

placemats · 20/07/2026 21:42

Oh so now you're in love with Andy Burnham and his choice of cabinet ministers?

I don't like Burnham's choice of Chancellor. Am I supposed to just accept it? I understand that he has had experience with devolution, decades ago.

No, I’m not in love with Burnham at all. I think I’ve been fairly clear about that. I said I don’t know much about Healey, and you haven’t really told me why you dislike your choice. I’m not sure why you are being so aggressive about this.

illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 21:51

cardibach · 20/07/2026 21:38

That’s how the pension works. And means testing it is a really, really bad idea.

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I don’t believe it is, sorry. I see no reason why top rate taxpayers should be in receipt of a state benefit. 22% of pensioners are millionaires.

Imagine the outrage if it came out that 22% of claimants of benefits like PIP or the like were millionaires.

5128gap · 20/07/2026 21:52

placemats · 20/07/2026 21:46

But we do know that he would have been able to get it 2 years ago.

Yes, but, so what?

DuncinToffee · 20/07/2026 21:53

Miatta Fahnbulleh to Energy

Angela Eagle to Defra

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cardibach · 20/07/2026 21:54

illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 21:51

I don’t believe it is, sorry. I see no reason why top rate taxpayers should be in receipt of a state benefit. 22% of pensioners are millionaires.

Imagine the outrage if it came out that 22% of claimants of benefits like PIP or the like were millionaires.

Just have a think what happens if you means test pensions. It’s a benefit you have a right to after a certain level of contribution. Where would you have the cut off?. PIP isn’t means tested either.
You have to claim it though. Maybe he hasn’t.

Efacsen · 20/07/2026 21:55

Bridget Philpson to Women and Equalities

placemats · 20/07/2026 21:55

A good point of note is that a lot of the cabinet are Labour and Co-operative. Excellent.

DuncinToffee · 20/07/2026 21:56

Bridget Phillipson remains as the Minister for Women and Equalities

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BIossomtoes · 20/07/2026 21:59

illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 21:51

I don’t believe it is, sorry. I see no reason why top rate taxpayers should be in receipt of a state benefit. 22% of pensioners are millionaires.

Imagine the outrage if it came out that 22% of claimants of benefits like PIP or the like were millionaires.

Top rate taxpayers essentially pay it all back in tax. And, while some pensioners live in millionaire households that’s largely because of property inflation. PIP is also a non means tested benefit, it doesn’t stretch credulity too much to expect some disabled claimants live in properties valued at £1million.

The worst day’s work Osborne ever did was classify the state pension as a benefit, it’s distorted all the stats and caused endless vilification of people who have had the temerity to get old and legally claim the pension they paid decades of NI to qualify them for.

TemperanceWest · 20/07/2026 22:00

illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 21:51

I don’t believe it is, sorry. I see no reason why top rate taxpayers should be in receipt of a state benefit. 22% of pensioners are millionaires.

Imagine the outrage if it came out that 22% of claimants of benefits like PIP or the like were millionaires.

Some of that 22% are millionaires on paper because of the high value of property in some areas, I think? Happy to be corrected on this.

placemats · 20/07/2026 22:01

cardibach · 20/07/2026 21:54

Just have a think what happens if you means test pensions. It’s a benefit you have a right to after a certain level of contribution. Where would you have the cut off?. PIP isn’t means tested either.
You have to claim it though. Maybe he hasn’t.

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https://www.gov.uk/deferring-state-pension

Information about deferring a state pension.

Defer (delay) your State Pension

Claiming your State Pension later - extra State Pension, backdated arrears and lump sum payments.

https://www.gov.uk/deferring-state-pension

placemats · 20/07/2026 22:05

PIP is also a non means tested benefit, it doesn’t stretch credulity too much to expect some disabled claimants live in properties valued at £1million.

The Camerons claimed DLA for their son Ivan. @BIossomtoes

BIossomtoes · 20/07/2026 22:08

placemats · 20/07/2026 22:05

PIP is also a non means tested benefit, it doesn’t stretch credulity too much to expect some disabled claimants live in properties valued at £1million.

The Camerons claimed DLA for their son Ivan. @BIossomtoes

And why not? It must have been a drop in the ocean in terms of the amount of care that poor little boy needed.

Zonder · 20/07/2026 22:08

placemats · 20/07/2026 21:42

Oh so now you're in love with Andy Burnham and his choice of cabinet ministers?

I don't like Burnham's choice of Chancellor. Am I supposed to just accept it? I understand that he has had experience with devolution, decades ago.

I'm a bit surprised at your comments today, and that's a first. Maybe you need a bit of a break?

illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 22:10

cardibach · 20/07/2026 21:54

Just have a think what happens if you means test pensions. It’s a benefit you have a right to after a certain level of contribution. Where would you have the cut off?. PIP isn’t means tested either.
You have to claim it though. Maybe he hasn’t.

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This is my entire point.

You should not have a right to a state benefit. Nobody should. Especially not when you’re a millionaire. People go after PIP claimants, universal credit claimants, anyone else on benefits. But for some reason the 22% of state pension claimants who are millionaires escape criticism every time

TemperanceWest · 20/07/2026 22:11

illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 22:10

This is my entire point.

You should not have a right to a state benefit. Nobody should. Especially not when you’re a millionaire. People go after PIP claimants, universal credit claimants, anyone else on benefits. But for some reason the 22% of state pension claimants who are millionaires escape criticism every time

Do you have a link to that stat please?

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