What automatically makes you think people are idiots?

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For me it’s:

people who think that Michael Jackson isn’t a pedophile.

people who say things like “Londanistan” “Bradfordistan”

People who say “If the Holocaust is real, why do the tattoo numbers only go up to 5 digits”

No, FWR posters would be falling over each other to try and come up with the "funniest", "edgiest" way of insulting the nurse.

People who confuse 'discrete' with 'discreet'.

So doesn’t a female patient have a right to get her intimate care from a female nurse, @DontGoJasonWaterfalls?

They refuse to answer.

Saying “I will not allow a man, even one who says he’s a woman, to perform intimate care on me” is not a joke or insulting.

Calling a man “a man” is not a joke nor is it insulting.

Is she wanting intimate care carried out by someone with a better understanding of her anatomy and experiences? No, she's not transphobic.

This is what I said earlier. Everyone should have the right to be comfortable with whoever is carrying out intimate care on them. Not sure where you got the impression I believe otherwise?

Don't speak for me, thanks 🙂

Are you every FWR poster ever? Was I talking about you?

This just in: not everything is about you!

Ok

Can women exclude transwomen from intimate care and women’s spaces based on the fact they’re men?

Women’s rights are for women.

Not men who say they’re women ☺️

Anyone can exclude anyone from carrying out intimate care on them on any basis, so yes to that one.

Trans women in the UK are legally excluded from designated women's only spaces, so yes to that too.

I refer to them as trans women so I'd say "based on the fact they're trans women", you refer to them as men so you say "based on the fact they're men". I think that's an important distinction, you might not. That's ok though 🙂

Only men can be transwomen. 😊

Only people recorded as male at birth, yes.

I thought you lot were against policing language? Definitely seems like you're trying to police mine right now.

Calling a man, “a man”, and ensuring women have the right to exclude him from women’s spaces, regardless of what he says about himself, is not “policing language”.

You can call someone whatever you like. I haven't told you not to call someone something.

Every time I refer to a trans woman, you're trying to correct me to "man".

They are men 🤷🏻‍♀️ that’s just a fact

Cool. They call themselves trans women so I'm going to call them trans women.

"Hi, my name is Samantha but I go by Sam".
"YOUR NAME IS SAMANTHA AND THAT'S JUST A FACT".

That's how this conversation feels. It's rarely productive to engage with you lot.

But they haven’t been excluded “because they’re trans women” they’ve been excluded because they’re men.

😂👍

Are only transwomen excluded from women’s spaces, or are all men excluded from them?

😂

Is this that “productive engagement” you were going on about?

😂 Keep going

It’s absolutely not cowardly, nor waffle. I answered your question as clearly as possible, because it’s a nuanced discussion which you clearly don’t want to or don’t feel able to have for some reason.

You’re clearly spoiling for a fight, as shown by the immediate leap to insults rather than adult discussion and I’m not interested in engaging with that, I understand that life isn’t concrete and I don’t need to engage with people who don’t seem to get that so you can carry on looking for someone else to argue with.

Humans are male or female. There is no nuance there.

I absolutely will fight for women’s right to exclude males from certain spaces and the right to say it’s simply because they’re men.