What automatically makes you think people are idiots?

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For me it’s:

people who think that Michael Jackson isn’t a pedophile.

people who say things like “Londanistan” “Bradfordistan”

People who say “If the Holocaust is real, why do the tattoo numbers only go up to 5 digits”

Using a laugh emoji about a serious topic as the sum total of their argument to indicate disagreement with another person.

Do you mean genocides not holocausts?

People who are still on Facebook and answer random puzzles and quizzes then wonder why they get hacked/spammed.

Oh yes, I have to agree with the overuse of “super”! Super excited, super upset, super happy, Makes people sound super thick.

People who, on threads complaining about, say, dog poo not being picked up, say things like ‘but some parents change their kids’ dirty nappies in public and that’s worse’ . They don’t seem to understand that we as a society don’t actually have to choose between dogs and children.

In a similar vein, those that say proudly that dogs are better than humans because they don’t destroy the planet and commit crimes against each other. They boast of this view as if it makes them superior, when actually it just makes me think of Ian Brady.

People who still think that honest politicians aren't just a myth.

I've just googled

The correct term is "Hear, hear!" which is an expression of approval or agreement, originating as a shout to "hear him!" in 17th-century British Parliament. It is a shortened form of "Hear him, hear him," encouraging others to listen to a speaker, rather than a location-based phrase "Here, here!".

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Any dog that is cross should never be around children .

Anyone who pronounces H as 'haitch'.

So you think that most Irish people are automatically idiots, then?

And a vast number of Scots.

Are you saying dyslexic people are stupid?

People who say "everyone's a bit autistic".

Trump, Farage, Tommy Boy, Tate, etc and their fan club.

Religious zealots.

Handmaidens and misogynistic males.

Genocide supporters.

LGBT phobes.

People who think illegal immigrants are the cause of all the problems.

Brexit voters.

Anti vaxxers.

People who have no general knowledge and low EQ.

People who think being a Queen Bee with colony of worker bees is where it's at.

Racist behaviour, words or inaction/apathy towards racism.

@AnnieLummox

People who refuse to learn. Yes, I’m looking at you, MNers who come on here to say “He was a useless, inattentive father with the first two, but he promised me it would be different with our third - but it isn’t 😢😢” - as if you needed to be Nostra sodding Damus to predict this.

Nail on the head. My sister did exactly that. Her DH did bugger all when they had their first child and completely withdrew from the marriage too. She did nothing but complain about him as a "useless husband" and "useless Dad". 6 years later she got pregnant again "to save her marriage" - heaven knows how as she always maintained it was "hell" sharing a bed with him as she claimed they were strangers living together who hated each other! Inevitably, the second child made things even worse, especially financially, but with him not even doing the bare minimum around the house - he stopped mowing the lawn, stopped putting the bins etc (basically on strike due to lack of intimacy I think) but even then she didn't leave him and continued the sham marriage until second child was a teenager. Heaven knows why she thought a second child would "cure" him of his uselessness.

Not if she’s not transphobic, they’re two different things.

There’s a biological male nurse who says he’s a woman. She refuses to allow him to perform intimate care on her because she asked for a woman to help her.

Is she transphobic?

Exactly.

It's wrong so often now

Along with 'I can't bare it anymore'...

Totally agree, totally demonstrates my point above about people judging someone based on a regional accent or dialect.

My grandmother was born in Ireland and grew up in Glasgow. Lovely lady, but she says this. Because of that, you think she’s… an idiot? What a strange outlook. You, and the other with this strange outlook, sound like very close minded and horrible folk 🥀

But, this thread was always going to be divisive 😊

People who cross roads without looking or who start crossing at lights when the red man sign has come up

Again, different possibilities. As always people’s preferences (especially for intimate care) should be observed where possible should be met, and in cases of intimate care (or where trauma is a possibility) organisations should go over and above (in my opinion)

Where a request is based on prejudice, hatred, rejection of the trans identity then it could be considered as transphobia.

This is the sort of thing I mean when I say that the debate is not ‘TRA’ or ‘Transphobia’. The area in between is important and a refusal to engage in that space doesn’t move anything forward.

I’m going out now so if I don’t answer any more questions it’s not because I’m choosing not to engage with you.

What a load of cowardly waffle.
I asked very clearly that if she rejected intimate care from him because he was a man, as all transwomen are, would that be transphobic?

I'm not @LeafyMcLeafFace but agree with their initial statement.

It's impossible to say if she's transphobic just from this information. Is she demanding that the nurse be removed from her job and calling her slurs? Then yeah, she's transphobic. Is she wanting intimate care carried out by someone with a better understanding of her anatomy and experiences? No, she's not transphobic.

It's like saying "This woman was waiting for a train, is she transphobic?". Well it all depends, if she was marching up and down the train platform shouting "I think we should exterminate all tr***a" then yeah, she is. If she was just standing there waiting for the train then no, she isn't.

She saying the nurse is a man.

Depends on why.

Doesn't understand trans identities? Not transphobic.
Knows that the nurse prefers to be referred to as a woman, but gets confused/forgets? Not transphobic.
Knows that the nurse prefers to be referred to as a woman but goes out of her way to call them a man consistently? Transphobic.

I don't agree with the use of marriage-based titles for women because I think they're rooted in sexism and patriarchy; I'll still call someone Mrs _ or Miss _ and take their lead in that because it respects their choice, and in return I'd like them to respect my wish to be called by my first name.

In the same way, there has to be a middle ground where a patient can say "I understand that this nurse is a trans woman, I'd rather she doesn't carry out any intimate care on me and that a biologically female nurse does so instead", and the nurse says "hey yeah fair enough I'll get one of my colleagues because it's important that you're comfortable".

But on Mumsnet and Reddit there's no calm middle ground easy resolution like that; Mumsnet insists that the evil nasty trans person only did three years of nurse training to perv on this random woman, and Reddit insists that the evil nasty old woman doesn't deserve treatment of she won't take it from this random nurse. Both sides are utterly radicalised but won't accept it.

The MN view would more likely be, "It doesn't matter why this person went through 3 years of nurse training, he's male."