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Thread 39 Starmer: chwech/saith - dechreuodd y plant ei

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DuncinToffee · 28/11/2025 21:55

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placemats · 09/12/2025 15:30

dontcallmelen · 09/12/2025 14:44

10billion unrecoverable that’s bloody criminal & yet the Tories are lauded far n wide for being fiscally competent & Labour the spendthrifts.
shocked at the LibDems not voting on the workers right bill.

Especially when this happens regarding HMRC. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/dec/06/hmrc-christmas-side-hustle-sellers-tax-earnings-allowance

HMRC warns Christmas side-hustle sellers over tax on festive earnings

Crafters, artisans and others told to declare income if above £1,000 trading allowance in tax year

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/dec/06/hmrc-christmas-side-hustle-sellers-tax-earnings-allowance

Karistyleaftea · 09/12/2025 15:58

LIb dems - surprised they voted no.
Wonder why.
Disappointed ( and I am a big fan of Daisy Cooper. )
I wonder what the thinking/strategy was.

PandoraSocks · 09/12/2025 16:02

DuncinToffee · 09/12/2025 13:56

Cutting benefits?

She is not asking for a time machine don'tcha know

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I wonder if the Motability scheme offers Time Machines?

Notonthestairs · 09/12/2025 16:27

🚨BREAKING🚨

MPs have voted to PASS our bill to establish a UK-EU customs union.

The Prime Minister must now listen to his own MPs, drop his self-imposed red lines and finally go for proper growth through an ambitious trade deal with the EU.
https://bsky.app/profile/libdems.org.uk/post/3m7ktwdcwlm2a

Liberal Democrats (@libdems.org.uk)

🚨BREAKING🚨 MPs have voted to PASS our bill to establish a UK-EU customs union. The Prime Minister must now listen to his own MPs, drop his self-imposed red lines and finally go for proper growth through an ambitious trade deal with the EU.

https://bsky.app/profile/libdems.org.uk/post/3m7ktwdcwlm2a

Notonthestairs · 09/12/2025 16:29

obviously it achieves nothing.

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DuncinToffee · 09/12/2025 16:36

https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/2215#noes

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Notonthestairs · 09/12/2025 16:49

i should have mentioned it was a tied vote!

dontcallmelen · 09/12/2025 16:51

PandoraSocks · 09/12/2025 16:02

I wonder if the Motability scheme offers Time Machines?

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Don’t , some fool will think it’s true & start a thread.

dontcallmelen · 09/12/2025 16:52

Thanks Notonthestairs I didn’t know about that rule every day a school day.

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 16:58

Notonthestairs · 09/12/2025 16:49

i should have mentioned it was a tied vote!

Doesn't the speaker get a vote then ? With the tradition being to vote against anything that would change the status quo ?

Notonthestairs · 09/12/2025 17:06

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 16:58

Doesn't the speaker get a vote then ? With the tradition being to vote against anything that would change the status quo ?

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“This principle was that the Speaker should use their casting vote in a way that allows the opportunity for more debate and consideration.” (Depends on stage of vote etc) As per the Lily thread.

placemats · 09/12/2025 17:32

And so it seems that indeed the Lib Dems did a jobbie regarding workers rights as opposed to Customs Union. And got the support of RUK. Great work!

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 17:45

DuncinToffee · 09/12/2025 16:36

Farage was absent, people have noted

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DuncinToffee · 09/12/2025 17:48

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 17:45

Farage was absent, people have noted

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Busy meeting with Bardella

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Notonthestairs · 09/12/2025 17:50

placemats · 09/12/2025 17:32

And so it seems that indeed the Lib Dems did a jobbie regarding workers rights as opposed to Customs Union. And got the support of RUK. Great work!

You don’t think SNP Plaid etc would have voted in favour of customs union?

placemats · 09/12/2025 18:48

Notonthestairs · 09/12/2025 17:50

You don’t think SNP Plaid etc would have voted in favour of customs union?

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The Irish politicians, SDLP are the etc?

placemats · 09/12/2025 19:31

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 10:25

I am sure someone has actually done it, but a fascinating angle of English history is how the CofE came to settle as Calvinist, not Lutheran, and form into the shape it became between swings of extremism in a way that no other European state ever really managed. And whether that process was driven by the unique contingencies of being England, or the ever wobbly Tudor dynasty.

Certainly ignoring the pope didn't seem to do any harm.

I'm fascinated by what people believe and believed and claim they believe and actually believed. Therein lies the power. And it matters, because Farage is really a modern day papist agitator with his flock, his credo.and his foreign master.

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Well seeing as you brought the derogatory term papist up (and shamefully applying it to Farage) can I present to you the Calvinist vote i.e. Presbyterian, on that fateful day in June 2016.

The papists won a resounding YES for Northern Ireland. And the atheists lent a hand too.

https://www.niassembly.gov.uk/globalassets/documents/raise/knowledge_exchange/briefing_papers/series6/garry121016.pdf

https://www.niassembly.gov.uk/globalassets/documents/raise/knowledge_exchange/briefing_papers/series6/garry121016.pdf

itsgettingweird · 09/12/2025 20:06

PandoraSocks · 09/12/2025 16:02

I wonder if the Motability scheme offers Time Machines?

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🤣🤣🤣🤣

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 21:04

Notonthestairs · 09/12/2025 16:27

🚨BREAKING🚨

MPs have voted to PASS our bill to establish a UK-EU customs union.

The Prime Minister must now listen to his own MPs, drop his self-imposed red lines and finally go for proper growth through an ambitious trade deal with the EU.
https://bsky.app/profile/libdems.org.uk/post/3m7ktwdcwlm2a

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Thread 39 Starmer: chwech/saith - dechreuodd y plant ei
placemats · 09/12/2025 22:15

placemats · 09/12/2025 19:31

Well seeing as you brought the derogatory term papist up (and shamefully applying it to Farage) can I present to you the Calvinist vote i.e. Presbyterian, on that fateful day in June 2016.

The papists won a resounding YES for Northern Ireland. And the atheists lent a hand too.

https://www.niassembly.gov.uk/globalassets/documents/raise/knowledge_exchange/briefing_papers/series6/garry121016.pdf

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Yes to Remain of course. As did Scotland.

Labour and Plaid Cymru campaigned to Remain in Wales but the costal areas decided No to Remain.

And of course we all know what happened in England.

Notonthestairs · 10/12/2025 06:02

I think it’s a shame Labour didn’t choose to throw their weight behind the Customs Union motion.
That would have rendered a deal with other parties unnecessary.

We know the Tories & Reform are locked in to uphold the Oven Ready Deal no matter the cost to the UK.

Evenstar · 10/12/2025 07:57

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