Thread 39 Starmer: chwech/saith - dechreuodd y plant ei

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Taxes optional but greatly appreciated

Yes but they wouldn't have been quite so quick to trumpet their refusal to accept economic reality. There was atleast a veneer of accepting expert analysis.

No amount of raking over the mistakes the Tories chose to make will even undo them. They foolishly thought they could ride the dragon (with the arrogance of privilege) and are now fated to follow it into the abyss. Reform will siphon off their votes and their schtick using their performance 2010-2024 as the lubrication.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c075vjxyx3no

Much of the £10.9bn in taxpayer money lost to fraud and error in Covid support schemes is now "beyond recovery", a report has said.

The response to the pandemic had led to "enormous outlays of public money which exposed it to the risk of fraud and error" with many organisations unprepared, the Covid Counter Fraud Commissioner, Tom Hayhoe, said.

Employment support schemes set up by the previous Conservative government, including furlough and help for the self-employed, suffered £5bn of fraud, the report found.

Yet Badenoch concentrates (yeah, I know) on Benefit fraud.

She has now admitted that Brexit (alongside Covid and the financial crisis) has damaged the UK economy.

But welfare......

Young people need high paying jobs but national minimum wage increase is crippling business.

The Employment Rights Bill was voted on again last night.

Guess who were absent

https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1949#noes

Farage voted no.

Yesterday, no votes were recorded by any of the 5 MPs

Oops wrong link above.

Yes sorry for that.

That shows March.

Sorry x post

https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/2214#noes

Lib Dems voted against.

That's quite the change from my original link. And no Reform votes.

Funny isn’t it.
Last time Kruger voted against.
This time, presumably following party orders, no vote.
How easily his conscience changes.

Clearly Farage and friends don’t want to be on the record voting against better employment terms/ trade union legislation.

They have to hide rather than confirm their position.

All the better to mislead those trusting leopards-eating-faces voters.

not impressed by that.

I wonder why they voted against

Angela Rayner gave a good speech asking the Lib Dems not to vote against

EU customs vote?

ETA. It's obviously a statement. What the meaning behind it is anyone's guess.

So what's her plan to address that damage ?

I do hope the Libdems elaborate on exactly what they objected to. I can't be all of the bill, surely?

Cutting benefits?

She is not asking for a time machine don'tcha know

At a guess I think it's the embarrassingly juvenile level of yah-boo politics the electorate believes they like, having known no alternative. A toxic pit where it's better to be seen to squabble and bicker, rather than admit that sometimes even the other side may have a good idea.

10billion unrecoverable that’s bloody criminal & yet the Tories are lauded far n wide for being fiscally competent & Labour the spendthrifts.
shocked at the LibDems not voting on the workers right bill.

Of course it's recoverable. Just what 1% onto the very top earners tax bill, and if they aren't happy they can deal with the culprits themselves.

If it's good enough for primary school kids, it's good enough for squillionaires.

Personally I'd be happy to say 1 peerage=£10billion and say removing Lady Mones title could call it quits. As would all the squillionaires. No honour amongst thieves.

Just whack

(MN is gitchy for me and can't keep up with my self-taught 80wpm)