Thread 36 Starmer - Triggered by ads and Da iawn, Caerffili.

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Reeves lands badly with "ordinary" people simply because the media portray her badly.

Yes, that would be it, ahem….

Then why did she take it?

She wanted it sooooo badly, it hurt.

No minister acts in a bubble and no PM allows a minister to go off script.

Sky's economics editor laid out the issues very well, new commitments, esp Defence spend, OBR down grading productivity & Tariffs have all taken away Reeves room to manoeuvre.

That faces any Chancellor.

Aside, When Reeves broke down in the 'commons, gilts went up as markets thought she might resign, once it was realised she wouldn't they dropped back and again and have continued a downward trend.

A change in Chancellor would be very bad for the UK, not just for this budget either.

Fwiw Reeves became Shadow Chancellor in May 2021, at that time, the Tories were well ahead in the polls, an 11 pt lead..... her chances of being Chancellor were almost nil.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/04/lol-ultimate-texting-faux-pas-what-should-you-use-instead

💀Off to the graveyard.

Bell has vastly better credentials than Reeves.

They both have a PPE degree from Oxford. Reeves has a master's in Economics from the LSE. @bombastix

Marina Hyde in the Guardian nails Reeves perfectly; it’s not a right wing thing. It’s a “wtf thing”

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/04/budget-rachel-reeves-being-honest-tax-chancellor

That is quite useful, placemats. I quite like the use of ⚰️ too. Though I fear it could be very much misinterpreted!

We are still the 6th largest economy in the world though.

She wanted it sooooo badly, it hurt.

What’s wrong with that? Or don’t you think women should display that kind of naked ambition, @Nolletimiere?

I’d far rather have someone who really wanted the job than someone just placed in it as a political appointment.

The PP stated it was a ‘poisoned challice job’ - I was responding to that, not to Reeves’s gender - why did you pick on her gender?

With a welfare budget of 24% of total government expenditure.

MN is full of the same twats that Be-Leaved giving out financial advice.

Yeah 🤣 👍

Not sorry.

So what will Reform do exactly to bring about economic stability?

We'll tackle the welfare budget.

Yy especially with some of my friends & current health issues, I’m fairly up on primary school slang/songs as older dgd keeps me updated I’m so over 67 though.

Coughing and coffins.

Her sex you mean?

Don't you know? 'Left leaning women need to stay in their lane, if they come out of it, the 'right and shamefully, some on the left/centre will do all they can to put them back in their lane

Rayner wasn't attacked because of her beliefs or her policies but because she was a woman, who dared to better herself.

It was constant, Only a care worker, Only a union rep, Teenage pregnancy, Slept her way to the top, Council Tax, CGT, buying a council house, selling a council house...

Hunt on the other hand bought 7 flats to avoid stamp duty... who cares? Sunak pays 22% tax on millions... who cares....

No on one the 'right

@Nolletimiere Germany spends 31% on welfare and they are the 3rd biggest economy .

🤣

I do not condone that, at all, and am supportive of women of whatever political hue gaining high office.

Equally, I do not differentiate between women and men when it comes to criticism - I have been scathing of both Starmer and Reeves.

No, I am not a fan of Rayner for myriad reasons, but categorically not because she was a woman. I was pleased when she was fired, I admit, but so I was I when Mandy was kicked out.

I don’t focus on the Tories, for the same reasons as I do not focus on Reform - they are not in government making decisions impacting my life, and the lives of many posters on MN.

PP meant it as in the job, someone had to take it on. So why not Reeves.

Zahawi left quite a mess, as did Hunt

Missed out Kwarteng, doh

Late tax from Zakopane …

Yes, France and others are higher too, that’s correct.

OK, a subsequent poster has zero’d in on gender, so I have responded to that.

Thanks