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Ukraine Invasion: Part 58

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MagicFox · 10/08/2025 12:16

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Desdemonashandkerchief · 01/09/2025 12:22

United 24 Media:

🤷 The Russian offensive brought almost no results, as the enemy failed to capture a single major city — General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Russia’s latest offensive campaign this season ended in vain: the occupiers did not seize control of a single major city, the General Staff reported, commenting on Russian Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov’s account of the “results of the spring-summer campaign of 2025.”

🔹 The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit has started in China.

The event is attended by leaders of China, Azerbaijan, Türkiye, India, Kazakhstan, Russia, and other member states, as well as partners of the organization.

According to media reports, Putin arrived in China to coordinate positions on the war in Ukraine with Chinese leader Xi Jinping.

🔸 Commander-in-Chief Syrskyi: Russia has lost more than 290,000 soldiers at the front since the beginning of the year.

The heaviest losses were recorded in the Donetsk region, particularly in the Pokrovsk direction, where Russian forces focused their main efforts but failed to achieve any strategic objectives.

🔹 Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk stated that no concessions or subtle games with Russian leader Vladimir Putin and aggressive Russia will bring success or guarantee security. He made the remarks during a joint media statement with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, quoted by RMF24.

“Poland, Europe, NATO, the United States must again, like before, like 45 years ago, when we felt the support of the entire West…, be very firm, resolute, and united against this next version of the evil empire. Enough of concessions, we must be firm and well prepared for this,” Tusk said.

He stressed that Poland is counting on a “very serious” share in European security funding programs, particularly the SAFE program.

“We are submitting applications for tens of billions of euros and we are talking about it without complexes. We are not asking anyone for anything, because in this matter no one is doing anyone any favors. Poland will invest 200 billion zlotys ($54 billion) in defense, defense industry and the Polish army next year. Therefore, we take our responsibilities seriously and expect all institutions and states of Europe to take the same serious attitude to the issue of security of the eastern border and a firm position towards the aggressor and Russia,” Tusk noted.

🔸 The European Commission is preparing proposals for the use of €210 billion in frozen Russian assets, Euractiv reports.

Member states hold differing positions. Poland and the Baltic countries advocate full confiscation, while Belgium, which controls the largest share of frozen assets, opposes this step, fearing it could undermine confidence in the euro.

Alongside full confiscation and the current mechanism of using “excess profits,” new options are being considered to make the assets generate more income. The Commission is expected to present a set of proposals, backed by legal analysis, within two months.

One scenario envisions placing the assets in a “special purpose vehicle” (SPV) managed from Brussels — a new fund supported by several EU and non-EU countries. This would allow riskier investments aimed at achieving higher returns for Ukraine.

Moving the assets into such a structure could also bypass the unanimity rule, preventing Hungary — seen as the most likely opponent of new sanctions — from enabling the funds’ return to Moscow.

🔹 Experts from the International Atomic Energy Agency were denied access to a newly built dam on the channel of one of the cooling ponds at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.

At the end of May, an IAEA representative told Reuters there were no indications that Russia was preparing to restart the occupied plant. Earlier, in April, Russian officials stated they did not intend to relinquish control of the Zaporizhzhia NPP as part of any potential peace agreement.

🔸 Special forces of the HUR from the “Prymary” (“Ghosts”) unit struck Russian military infrastructure in temporarily occupied Crimea, destroying several targets.

Among the destroyed objects were:

▫️ the RT-70 radio telescope, used by Russia for military communications;
▫️ the Utes-T radar complex;
▫️ the Glonass complex in the dome;
▫️ the MR-10M1 Mys M1 coastal radar;
▫️ the 96L6-AP radar from the S-400 air defense system.

Read more: https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukrainian-intelligence-obliterates-russian-s-400-air-defense-and-glonass-space-radar-in-crimea-11254

🔹 Ukrainian soldiers repelled a massive assault by Russian occupiers and prevented a breakthrough of the defense line.

In the Siversk direction, fighters of the 81st Separate Airmobile Brigade of the 7th Airborne Assault Corps precisely eliminated the invaders, who attempted a breakthrough with the support of aviation, artillery, strike drones, and FPVs.

But nothing helped. Thanks to the powerful actions of Ukrainian defenders, four armored personnel carriers and about 30 occupiers were destroyed.

🔸 Russian Soldier Executes Unarmed Elderly Ukrainian, Prosecutors Launch Investigation

The Donetsk Regional Prosecutor’s Office has opened an investigation into the killing of a civilian man by a Russian serviceman in the settlement of Novoeconomichne, Pokrovsk district.

According to the investigation, on August 28, 2025, a Russian infantry soldier hid behind a garage on private property in the settlement. When he saw a elderly civilian man in the yard, he fired a targeted shot with an automatic weapon, killing him on the spot.

🔹 At the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Bulgaria supplied a third of the weapons to Kyiv, said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

She also welcomed Bulgaria’s plans to boost production of gunpowder and NATO-caliber shells, a significant share of which will go to Ukraine.

🤦‍♂️“The crisis in Ukraine” did not arise as a result of Russia’s attack, but because of a “coup d’état” in Kyiv provoked by the West, said Russian dictator Putin at the SCO summit.

Other statements:

▫️ The principles of the UN remain true and unshakable, they laid the foundations of global security;
▫️ We hope the “understandings” reached in Alaska open the way to peace in Ukraine;
▫️ The West’s attempts to draw Ukraine into NATO are among the reasons for the “Ukrainian crisis”;
▫️ I will inform my SCO colleagues about the results of the Alaska summit during bilateral meetings on the sidelines;
▫️ Moscow highly values the efforts of China, India and other partners to resolve the situation in Ukraine;
▫️ On the “Ukrainian crisis,” Russia adheres to the principle that no country can ensure its security at the expense of another;
▫️ The root causes of the “crisis in Ukraine” must be eliminated and the balance in the security sphere restored.

🔸 In Belarus, scenarios for the use of nuclear weapons will be practiced at CSTO exercises.

Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Belarus, Pavel Muraveyko, said that during the drills, planning for the use of nuclear weapons will be practiced, but the weapons themselves will not be used.

“You cannot use something that poses a threat to the entire world, to common security. And we will learn how to plan it,” he noted.

🔹 The leaders of the two coalition factions in the Bundestag, Jens Spahn of the CDU/CSU and Matthias Miersch of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), have arrived in Kyiv.

They plan to hold talks on Germany’s continued support for Ukraine and on diplomatic efforts to end the war.

Asked about possible security guarantees for Ukraine, Spahn said the best guarantee is a well-equipped Ukrainian army.

Desdemonashandkerchief · 01/09/2025 12:36

Live:Ukraine:

💥 Ukrainian intelligence forces have destroyed several key Russian targets in Crimea.

The operation was carried out by the HUR special unit “Ghosts.” Among the high-value Russian assets destroyed were air defense components, reconnaissance equipment, and navigation systems, including:

🔴 The “Utyos-T” radar complex
🔴 The RT-70 radio telescope
🔴 A GLONASS satellite navigation system complex housed in a dome
🔴 The MR-10M1 “Mys” coastal radar station
🔴 The 96L6-AP radar, part of the S-400 air defense system

🔹 German Chancellor Merz said the war between Russia and Ukraine could last a very long time, and the question of deploying ground troops to Ukraine is not on the table for now.

According to him, the war could end tomorrow if Ukraine capitulates, surrenders, and loses its independence.

“Only then, the day after tomorrow, it would be the turn of the next country. And the day after that, it would be our turn. That is not an option,” Merz stated.

🔸 Zelensky reminded that the “two weeks” Trump gave Russia are already running out.

The president noted that Putin, who arrived in China for four days to attend the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit, “will once again try to wriggle out — that’s his number one sport.”

🔹 A major fire erupted on Sunday, August 31, at an industrial site in Moscow region.

Reportedly, the affected warehouses belongs to the Balashikha Experimental Chemical Plant and the TDK company, which distributes household chemicals.

🇫🇷 On September 4, European leaders will meet in Paris to discuss security guarantees for Ukraine.

According to the Financial Times, citing three diplomats, attendees will include German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

They were invited by French President Emmanuel Macron. In an interview with the FT, von der Leyen said European capitals are preparing “fairly clear plans” regarding the possible deployment of troops in Ukraine after the war ends.

🇵🇱 Polish Defense Minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz warned against becoming accustomed to Russia’s war against Ukraine, saying that such complacency could be Russia’s greatest victory.

He emphasized that the outcome on Ukraine’s battlefield also determines Poland’s security.

Desdemonashandkerchief · 01/09/2025 12:44

Kyiv Post:

🔹 After a briefing from Ukraine’s commander-in-chief, Zelensky signaled that Russia still hasn’t seized Donetsk, despite heavy losses and demands Kyiv surrender it.

🔸 Russia ignored Trump’s two-week deadline for serious negotiations, Zelensky said, accusing Moscow of deliberately dragging out the war.

🔹 Zelensky announced the arrest of a suspect in the killing of ex-speaker Parubiy in Lviv, calling the crime carefully planned and confirming it was a deliberate assassination.

🔸 Putin shows no readiness for conciliation and reiterates his anti-Ukrainian and anti-Western mantras.

🔹 “Everyone in the world has said that the fire must be stopped, everyone insisted that the war must end… The only one who wants war is Russia,”
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said, once again accusing Moscow of dragging out the war following another round of Russian strikes on Ukrainian cities.

🔸 Ukrainian intelligence says Russia’s top tank maker depends on more than 260 Western-made machines that require foreign parts and updates — exposing a major gap in sanctions.

🔹 Russia included Ukraine’s Odesa and Mykolaiv regions as part of its territory on a map displayed during the Saturday address by Chief of the General Staff of the Russian army, Valery Gerasimov.

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/09/2025 15:24

notimagain · 01/09/2025 11:52

Just seen the story elsewhere and as described in the MSM it seems a bit odd.

As I and others elsewhere understand it there are non-GPS approach methods and non GPS reliant electronic approach aids at Plovdiv.

Mostly these days your charts are on your (self contained) iPad...last time I saw a paper approach chart was well over a decade ago..

In the real world if you'd lost GPS you'd tell the controllers you'd want an alternative type of approach, select the matching chart on the iPad,.fly the approach as published and land, no drama..no headlines.

There's talk of VdL holding for an hour as a result of the GPS outage so either there was another complication (be interesting to see the aircraft type) or the story is not being reported accurately, at least ATM.

Could there have been interference in the connection on the iPad and other electronic means too?

I saw a report (who knows how accurate) that Peskov confirmed it was Russian interference.

notimagain · 01/09/2025 15:56

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/09/2025 15:24

Could there have been interference in the connection on the iPad and other electronic means too?

I saw a report (who knows how accurate) that Peskov confirmed it was Russian interference.

If the crew were using iPads (many do) for documentation they tend to be standalone, not connected to the aircraft systems except maybe for power.

Edit to add: the charting apps don't rely on internet or other connectivity, all the umpteen hundreds approaches for airports various were stored on the app (well it was on ours), so you flew around with the iPad in flight mode...I guess it's just possible VdLs crew may have reverted to paper charts simply because somehow they hadn't got all the back up charts loaded on the iPads before the flight but that would be unusual in this day and age..

We're hearing a few more rumours about the incident now and it does appear original reports of a one hour delay were an exaggeration..latest report was the crew held near the airport for maybe 5-10 minutes to set up and brief a non GPS based approach which went OK.

MissConductUS · 01/09/2025 16:41

notimagain · 01/09/2025 15:56

If the crew were using iPads (many do) for documentation they tend to be standalone, not connected to the aircraft systems except maybe for power.

Edit to add: the charting apps don't rely on internet or other connectivity, all the umpteen hundreds approaches for airports various were stored on the app (well it was on ours), so you flew around with the iPad in flight mode...I guess it's just possible VdLs crew may have reverted to paper charts simply because somehow they hadn't got all the back up charts loaded on the iPads before the flight but that would be unusual in this day and age..

We're hearing a few more rumours about the incident now and it does appear original reports of a one hour delay were an exaggeration..latest report was the crew held near the airport for maybe 5-10 minutes to set up and brief a non GPS based approach which went OK.

Edited

Are you referring to the Jeppesen app? I know a former USAF pilot who had a special case for carrying his Jeppesen air charts (the paper ones). He eventually switched to the mobile app, but still loved the paper ones and his leather case for them.

notimagain · 01/09/2025 17:06

MissConductUS · 01/09/2025 16:41

Are you referring to the Jeppesen app? I know a former USAF pilot who had a special case for carrying his Jeppesen air charts (the paper ones). He eventually switched to the mobile app, but still loved the paper ones and his leather case for them.

We were never a Jepp user, even in paper days, and once things went electronic we adopted a Lufthansa system called Lido mPilot - probably did much the same as the Jepp app.

Like your aquaintance I love maps and charts (might be an age thing) but you can't beat the new tech for practicality..

We used to literally have boxes and folders stuffed with charts back in the day on the aircraft flight decks..a sod to sort through if you needed charts in a hurry....almost overnight the iPads came and the boxes of maps went (finally had room to store the Duty Free.........).

Looking at the advert below looks like there now in some configs might well be an interconnect at times with GPS, so that might be a gotcha on some types.

https://www.lhsystems.com/solutions/pilot-applications/navigation-solutions/lido-mpilot

Lido mPilot – Navigation solution for pilots | Lufthansa Systems

Lido mPilot is a smart iOS app for pilots, offering airport maps, GPS alerts, and seamless digital workflows to enhance flight safety and efficiency.

https://www.lhsystems.com/solutions/pilot-applications/navigation-solutions/lido-mpilot

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/09/2025 08:50

Whatever and however the pilots got around it, the point here is that the Russians were jamming the main mechanism for safely getting planes down, while the President of the European Commission was flying in and people seem to be accepting it.

This is an act of war by any standards and the EU is still sitting on its collective arse.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/09/2025 09:17

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

⚡️ Zelensky to reportedly meet European leaders (kyivindependent.com/zelensky-to-reportedly-meet-european-leaders-in-paris-on-sept-4/) in Paris on Sept. 4.

⚡️ Update: EU confirms von der Leyen’s plane hit by GPS jamming (kyivindependent.com/suspected-russian-jamming-hits-von-der-leyens-plane-ft-reports/), Russian involvement suspected.
"We can confirm there was GPS jamming," European Commission spokesperson Arianna Podesta told the media, adding that Bulgaria suspects Russia to be behind the “blatant interference.”

⚡️Russian forces allegedly preparing (kyivindependent.com/russian-forces-allegedly-preparing-major-assault-toward-siversk-in-donetsk-oblast-ukraines-military-says/) major assault toward Siversk in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine's military says.
Siversk, Russia's new potential target, lies about 10 kilometers (6 miles) west of Russian-occupied territory and just south of the contested Serebrianskyi Forest.

⚡️US Treasury’s Bessent says 'despicable (kyivindependent.com/us-treasurys-bessent-says-despicable-russian-bombing-campaign-against-ukraine-puts-all-sanctions-options-on-the-table/)' Russian bombing campaign against Ukraine puts all sanctions options on the table.
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent told Fox News on Sept. 1 that the Trump administration is considering new sanctions on Russia after Moscow intensified strikes on Ukraine despite recent peace talks.

⚡️Russian front-line advances (kyivindependent.com/russian-advance-slows-on-front-line-by-nearly-20-monitoring-group-says/) have slowed down in August, monitoring group says.
The pace of Russia's advance in Ukraine dropped by 18% in August, with Russian forces occupying 464 square kilometers of territory.

⚡️ Zelensky announces faster air defense (kyivindependent.com/zelensky-announces-faster-air-defense-deliveries-after-deadly-russian-strikes/) deliveries after deadly Russian strikes.
"We are accelerating the supply of additional air defense systems to enhance protection against missiles," President Volodymyr Zelensky said.

⚡️Slovak PM Fico plans (kyivindependent.com/slovak-pm-fico-plans-meetings-with-putin-zelensky-this-week/) meetings with Putin, Zelensky this week.
Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico announced on Sept. 1 that he will visit China to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin, followed by a meeting with President Volodymyr Zelensky in Slovakia.

⚡️ Poland launches its largest military drills (kyivindependent.com/poland-launches-largest-military-drills-as-russia-belarus-hold-exercises/) as Russia, Belarus set to hold exercises.
The exercises, spanning land, sea, air, and cyberspace, involve about 30,000 Polish and allied troops and 600 pieces of equipment, taking place amid mounting security risks for Warsaw.

⚡️Kim Jong Un travels to China (https://kyivindependent.com/kim-jong-un-travels-to-china-for-wwii-anniversary-events-alongside-xi-putin/) to join Xi, Putin at WWII anniversary events.
Photographs published by North Korean media showed Kim with senior officials, including Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui, inside his dark green armored train.

⚡️Ukraine liberates (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-liberates-village-of-novoekonomichne-in-donetsk-oblast-general-staff-says/) village of Novoekonomichne in Donetsk Oblast, General Staff says.
Ukrainian assault groups spent two weeks fighting to liberate the settlement, raising the national flag in the village center on Aug. 31, according to the General Staff.

⚡️ Russian map behind top general hints (kyivindependent.com/russian-map-behind-top-general-hints-at-ambitions-to-seize-odesa-kharkiv/) at ambitions to seize Odesa, Kharkiv.
While Moscow has publicly insisted on full control of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts, the map indicated possible plans extending to Odesa and Kharkiv, neither of which had been included in earlier demands.

⚡️EU considers tighter rules to block Russian gas (kyivindependent.com/eu-considers-tighter-rules-to-block-russian-gas-after-2027-ban-bloomberg-reports/) after 2027 ban, Bloomberg reports.
The plan specifically raises concerns over gas shipped through TurkStream, the pipeline linking Russia with Southeast Europe.

Russia-Ukraine naval drone arms race could 'usher in a new era of warfare'
(kyivindependent.com/a-new-era-of-warfare-russia-reorganizes-in-black-sea-turning-to-drone-reinforcements/)
After a string of devastating Ukrainian strikes that crippled much of its Black Sea Fleet, Russia is now turning to naval drones in a bid to rebuild its presence and adapt to a new phase of maritime warfare.
Since unveiling the world's first dedicated naval drone fleet in September 2022, Ukraine has advanced the use of unmanned maritime systems, successfully sinking nearly a dozen Russian vessels. Meanwhile, Russia has drawn on Ukrainian drone expertise to develop its own capabilities to regain its position in the Black Sea.

⚡️Ukraine's SBU files (kyivindependent.com/ukraines-sbu-files-in-absentia-notice-of-suspicion-against-kadyrov-for-war-crimes/) in absentia notice of suspicion against Kadyrov for war crimes.

⚡️ Ukrainian soldier tortured by Russia (kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-soldier-tortured-by-russia-disappears-from-dnipro-hospital/) disappears from Dnipro hospital.
Vladyslav Nahornyi's wife reported his disappearance after he left the hospital without warning.

⚡️ Ukrainian refugee girl killed in Germany (kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-refugee-girl-killed-in-germany-after-being-pushed-under-train/) after being pushed under train.
The victim, identified as Liana, was struck by a train traveling about 100 kilometers per hour (62 mph) after a 31-year-old Iraqi citizen allegedly shoved her onto the tracks.

⚡️Russian strikes hit Kyiv, Sumy, Odesa (kyivindependent.com/russian-strikes-hit-kyiv-sumy-odesa-oblasts-causing-fires-and-casualties/) oblasts, causing fires and casualties.

⚡️ 8 killed, at least 29 injured in Russian attacks (kyivindependent.com/russian-attacks-on-ukraine-3/) on Ukraine over past day.
Ukraine intercepted 120 out of the 150 Shahed-type attack drones and decoy drones launched by Russia overnight, the Air Force reported.

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notimagain · 02/09/2025 09:23

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/09/2025 08:50

Whatever and however the pilots got around it, the point here is that the Russians were jamming the main mechanism for safely getting planes down, while the President of the European Commission was flying in and people seem to be accepting it.

This is an act of war by any standards and the EU is still sitting on its collective arse.

I think the Russians should knock off the GPS interference, especially over areas where there is not a conflict, but the press over sensationalise these incidents (c.f Grant Shapps over the Baltic a while back..) to a great degree and I'd caution thinking they were " jamming the main mechanism for safely getting planes down," because they weren't.

At most airports the main mechanism for getting aircraft down in bad weather the Instrument Landing System (ILS) which is a ground based system working in the VHF and UHF bands...

Plovdiv has as such a system but it's unclear whether it was fully functional on Sunday PM but the weather was such that it wasn't essential, and there was another approach option available using another (VHF).beacon called a VOR...frankly the weather seems to have been so good if push came to shove with ATC assistance the crew could probably have flown a visual approach.

GPS may have been handy for feeding into either the ILS or VOR approach but air traffic could provide the same service via radar...

I see even Flightradar HQ has come out with a "WTF are all these one hour delay claims about" ...: since from their records it looks like at worse the crew got overhead Plovdiv, realised GPS was unavailable, so took a handful of.minutes setting up for one of the non GPS approaches,.went ahead with that and landed.

We saw with the Shapps incident that the MSM spin out of control when they hear GPS has been jammed and paint it as the end of the world, rather than saying it was a inconvenience, which it is a lot of the time.....it's certainly not an act of war.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/09/2025 09:28

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

On Monday, September 1, an extraordinary meeting of the Ukraine-NATO Council at the level of political advisors [took] place in Brussels.
At such meetings, political advisors in the permanent missions of NATO countries usually do not make decisions but discuss details, coordinate positions, and prepare draft documents.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russia had nothing to do with the navigation malfunction of the plane carrying European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

❗️Putin’s aide Yury Ushakov denied that preparations were underway for a meeting with Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, contradicting Trump’s recent statements.

Greece will not take part in providing military security guarantees to Ukraine, Greek Foreign Minister Giorgos Gerapetritis said in an interview with Real News.

Spoke with Prime Minister of Portugal Luís Montenegro. Portugal has been helping us since the very beginning of this full-scale war, and we in Ukraine truly feel it, — President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Kyiv Metro: on the first day of school, instead of attending classes, children were forced to hide from Russian strike drones.

Ukraine is the first country to offer AI-powered government services: Diia portal unveils AI assistant
Ukraine is betting on artificial intelligence. This is not a trend but our clear mission: by 2030, to become one of the world’s top three countries in developing and integrating AI in the public sector.
We focus on transforming Diia from a digital service into a full-fledged AI agent that works 24/7 and delivers services without needing to fill in unnecessary forms and fields. We are shaping the vision for Diia.AI and will present how Diia will evolve with AI integration this fall.
Today, we launched Diia.AI on the Diia portal. This is the world’s first government AI agent that answers questions and provides services directly in chat. Soon, it will also be available in the mobile app.
What can Diia.AI do?
1️⃣ Provide services
You can already order the first service in chat — an income certificate. Just type: “I need an income certificate” — and it will instantly appear in your Diia account. In the near future, we’ll add five more services that Diia.AI will be able to deliver.
2️⃣ Explain services in Diia
How do you register a sole proprietorship? What is the Baby Box? Now you don’t need to Google or browse the portal — just ask Diia.AI.
3️⃣ Match services to your situation
For example, if your home has been damaged, it will immediately point you to e-Recovery and give instructions on how to apply for government compensation.
Diia.AI is currently available in open beta testing.

🕯 In Kyiv and Lviv, farewells were held for Andriy Parubiy.
In Kyiv, a farewell ceremony for MP Andriy Parubiy took place on Maidan Nezalezhnosti. His family, friends, faction colleagues, and hundreds of Kyiv residents came to honor him. People brought flowers and Ukrainian flags, with words of farewell and gratitude heard throughout the ceremony.
He will be laid to rest at Lychakiv Cemetery, Lviv.
Andriy Parubiy was 53 years old. He passed away on August 30 in Lviv, killed by a contract assassin.

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/09/2025 09:34

@notimagain I'm afraid I can't agree. There may be other systems to get planes down safely and I'm quite sure media spins things highly out of control but Russia is pinpricking constantly - sometimes big pricks too, like the burning of the warehouse with aid for Ukraine and the tiny internal attacks arranged on passenger flights that Biden put a stop to. The subversion of Hungary and the attacks on democracy via SM from within are bigger.

But this is getting out of hand and there is a tipping point and I think we've reached it.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/09/2025 09:36

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

New Ukrainian Flamingo cruise missile scores hits on Russian secret service base in Crimea. (www.kyivpost.com/post/59264)

Ukrainian intelligence says Russia’s top tank maker depends on more than 260 Western-made machine (www.kyivpost.com/post/59254)s (www.kyivpost.com/post/59254) that require foreign parts and updates — exposing a major gap in sanctions.

European countries are considering a phased no-fly zone over western Ukraine to resume civilian air travel, starting with Lviv and other western airports — The Telegraph
If a ceasefire holds, the zone could expand to Kyiv and beyond. Western jets and air defenses may be involved to ensure safety.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/09/2025 09:38

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

🇵🇱 Polish Defense Minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz warned against becoming accustomed to Russia’s war against Ukraine, saying that such complacency could be Russia’s greatest victory.
He emphasized that the outcome on Ukraine’s battlefield also determines Poland’s security.

Dutch F-35s have begun patrols in Poland.
The jets are stationed at the Krzesiny air base near Poznań. Their mission is to help secure Polish airspace and NATO’s eastern flank, including participation in the air mission under the NSATU program (NATO Security Assistance and Training for Ukraine).

🇮🇪 Ireland, which will hold the EU presidency in a year, has pledged support for linking Ukraine and Moldova’s paths to integration.
Zelensky said he thanked Ireland’s prime minister for assistance in setting up shelters in schools and discussed financial support to ensure free meals for students.
Another topic of their talks was security guarantees, Zelensky added.

🇬🇧 The UK is extending its protection program for Ukrainians by another two years.
“We will continue to play our part in supporting Ukraine by extending the Ukraine Permission Extension program for a further 24 months,” said UK Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, adding that details will be published later.
This means Ukrainians who arrived in the UK after February 24, 2022, will be able to stay in the country under the humanitarian protection scheme until autumn 2028.
▪️The Ukraine Permission Extension Scheme (UPE) allows Ukrainians in the UK under one of the visa schemes to extend their residence permit by 18 months. It was launched in 2022 for an initial three years, then extended by another 18 months. Applications to the program are free of charge.

blueshoes · 02/09/2025 23:47

www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-1-2025

Key Takeaways:

  • Kremlin officials continue to deny White House statements about the prospect of a bilateral Ukrainian-Russian or trilateral US-Ukrainian-Russian meeting in the near future.
  • Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to demonstrate his unwillingness to compromise on his unwavering demands for Ukraine’s full capitulation.
  • The Kremlin likely timed the publication of a video address by former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to coincide with Putin's SCO speech in order to lend legitimacy to Putin's demand for regime change in Ukraine.
  • Putin's demands for regime change in his SCO speech are not new, but rather the reiteration of his pre-war demands that he has been pursuing throughout the war.
  • The Russian military command reportedly redeployed relatively "elite" naval infantry and airborne (VDV) forces to Donetsk Oblast from northern Sumy Oblast and the Kherson direction.
  • The reported redeployments suggest that the Russian Fall 2025 offensive will focus on efforts to seize the remainder of Donetsk Oblast, particularly in the Dobropillya, Pokrovsk, and Kostyantynivka areas.
  • Likely Russian GPS jamming affected a plane carrying European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on September 1.
  • Ukraine reportedly conducted its first strike with its domestically produced FP-5 Flamingo cruise missile on August 30 against occupied Crimea.
  • Ukrainian authorities reportedly collected new evidence of Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov endorsing war crimes against Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs).
  • Ukrainian forces advanced near Pokrovsk. Russian forces advanced near Kupyansk and Novopavlivka and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
blueshoes · 02/09/2025 23:49

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-2-2025

Key Takeaways:

  • Russian President Vladimir Putin leveraged a meeting with Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico to pretend to offer marginal concessions to US demands while continuing to refuse to meet actual US demands and while blaming Europe and the United States for provoking Russian aggression.
  • Kremlin officials continue to deny White House statements about the prospect of a bilateral Ukrainian-Russian or trilateral US-Ukrainian-Russian meeting in the near future.
  • Russia continues to feel the economic impacts of secondary sanctions against Russian oil-and-gas importers and of recent Ukrainian strikes against Russian oil refineries.
  • North Korea is reportedly planning to send about 6,000 more troops to Russia, likely to serve in supporting roles in the Russian rear.
  • Ukrainian forces recently advanced in northern Kharkiv Oblast and near Lyman and Pokrovsk. Russian forces recently advanced near Kupyansk and in the Kostyantynivka-Druzhkivka tactical area.
Natsku · 03/09/2025 05:54

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/09/2025 08:50

Whatever and however the pilots got around it, the point here is that the Russians were jamming the main mechanism for safely getting planes down, while the President of the European Commission was flying in and people seem to be accepting it.

This is an act of war by any standards and the EU is still sitting on its collective arse.

Agree, this went beyond the usual GPS jamming, which was already bad enough (it happens so much in Finland, and there's been several occasions that planes have had to turn around and land somewhere else because not all airports have alternative methods of landing, and besides the plane issues, its really fucking annoying for everyone living in the areas getting jammed who use GPS for anything)

notimagain · 03/09/2025 10:02

Natsku · 03/09/2025 05:54

Agree, this went beyond the usual GPS jamming, which was already bad enough (it happens so much in Finland, and there's been several occasions that planes have had to turn around and land somewhere else because not all airports have alternative methods of landing, and besides the plane issues, its really fucking annoying for everyone living in the areas getting jammed who use GPS for anything)

Ok..I'll try to not let my enthusiasm run away with me but some detail is needed to respond again so apologies for another long post on this.one subject.

Before thinking act of war we need to know exactly what supposedly happened to VdLs aircraft, and then possible consequences.

As to the first point we now know (from the ADSL tracking sites) that the aircraft went to Plovdiv, and landed pretty much as planned.

We know rhe crew didn't fly the precision ILS approach, they didn't fly one of the published Space based nav (e.g. GPS) approaches, they flew an approach using a VHF beacon at the airport..

We don't know why they chose that approach, we don't know if paper charts were used, there certainly is no evidence of a one hour delay and at least one of the independent aircraft tracking site is claiming the data being streamed down from the aircraft indicates it was navigating to an accuracy standard that could only be maintained if GPS was operating ok...

Given the above some think the VdL flight story may have been,.maybe accidently, embellished at least to some degree.

On a more general point when GPS gets denied/jammed it happens over an area, AFAIK it's never been a case of an individual aircraft being targetted.

As I've mentioned before im relation to my working days GPS area denial was going on over the eastern Mediterranean best part of a decade ago and it wasn't uncommon for absolutely bog standard airline flights heading for places like Beirut or Tel Aviv from europe to lose GPS prior to arrival - it was often lost over south east Turkey and was thought to be due to Russian ops in Syria.

The aircraft would still navigate well enough for cruise operations without GPS so the solution wasn't to hold for an hour, or grab paper charts, it was to tell ATC at the destination airport that you were unable GPS approaches and they would clear you for a runway and an approach method that didn't need GPS....

That's been a good enough fix to the problem for thousands of passengers over a decade and never been called an act of war..

Finally as a point of info where problems really do start with regard to airports is at those which have decided to dispense with conventional radio aids and use space based system procedures only for arrivals and departures...that tends to have happened at some remote and/or new airports, it's not happened yet at any of the majors.

PiggyPigalle · 03/09/2025 11:14

Seems a country has to be directly attacked to be considered an act of war, at least when dealing with a nuclear power. The point of nuclear is a deterrent, but Russia uses it to do what the hell they like.

Pilots make errors though and I would have thought, the less complications when landing, the better.
If Russia isn't doing it to cause a crash, why? They do have a very warped sense of humour. Who can forget the hilarity of the Russian tank crew when they realised they'd destroyed one of their own.
They'll bring a plane down one day then act the innocent.

notimagain · 03/09/2025 11:31

@PiggyPigalle

Pilots make errors though and I would have thought, the less complications when landing, the better.

Funnily enough, depending on aircraft type, flying a GPS/sat nav predicated approach can sometimes actually be more complicated and involve more faffing around than using some of the good old fashioned systems such as ILS whose technolgy dates from roughly WW2.

Even nowadays if you need to land in truely crappy weather you usually need an ILS, GPS, even with enhancements, simply isn't regarded as being up to the task.

OTOH GPS is good for navigating around an area and very importantly is cheap to use. That means going "space based" for navigational procedures means airports/national authorities can save costs by doing away with providing and maintaining a lot of ground based equipment.

I gather there's now a bit of a rethink going on and the wisdom of such policies has been a major talking point at some recent conferences.

Natsku · 03/09/2025 11:41

I don't think it matters that pilots are able to get around the jamming, or how easily they can, its the fact that they're being jammed in the first place, and especially in that case, knowing who was flying in that day.

OTOH GPS is good for navigating around an area and very importantly is cheap to use. That means going "space based" for navigational procedures means airports/national authorities can save costs by doing away with providing and maintaining a lot of ground based equipment.
I gather there's now a bit of a rethink going on and the wisdom of such policies has been a major talking point at some recent conferences.

Doing away with the equipment needed for other methods of landing was a mistake, though can understand why it was done when things were peaceful and it saved money, but now they've had to bring back DME to several airports in Finland that did away with it. Lesson learnt, but not until after flights had to be turned around and sent back.

notimagain · 03/09/2025 12:10

@Natsku

I don't think it matters that pilots are able to get around the jamming, or how easily they can, its the fact that they're being jammed in the first place.

I sense this is going to run..

You are correct, the signals shouldn't be denied but the reality is they sometimes they are and have been for years, in/over some parts of the world well pre Ukraine conflict.

Unlike some really nasty jamming of older navigational facilities that went on in the Cold War so far at least it's been pretty obvious to crews when GPS is being denied- the at risk areas are known and dealing with it is usually straightforward on many aircraft types, though TBF it can lead to restrictions on nav performance (as in nav accuracy) on some newer types that can't be resolved until landing.

.. especially in that case, knowing who was flying in that day.

This leads to the main reason for my gripe - It's the impression some of the MSM have tried to paint that somehow VdLs aircraft was known and was somehow selected for special attention that is really raising eyebrows in many quarters...

I'm not sure anyone credible the aviation world has suggested VdL's aircraft was deliberately targetted but I see today there are calls for extra secrecy for flights involving certain european officials because of this supposed incident...

I wouldn't disagree with the need for some secrecy when appropriate but I reserve the right to really dislike it if a story is being embellised or even fabricated to justify it, the western MSM needs to above the sort of crap the Russian outlets get up to.

Natsku · 03/09/2025 12:31

They wouldn't be targeting the aircraft itself but if its general knowledge that certain people are flying in at some point that day, and continuing to jam knowing that, that sends a message.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/09/2025 12:31

It's not that it was or was not selected for special attention.

It's that there are a lot of pinpricks, some of which are punctures rather than pinpricks going on, and the GPS jamming is one of them. At some point quite accidently something bad can happen - and when it comes to the point of the Head of the European Commission's plane having to use alternative landing tools due to enemy actions, a tipping point has been reached.

Tolerating this is beyond asking for trouble.

Natsku · 03/09/2025 12:36

We shouldn't have tolerated any of it tbf, they shouldn't be able to disrupt anyone's flights.

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