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An unholy trinity or just a seedy threesome: Trump, Musk and Putin? - Trump thread #138

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Spandauer · 15/02/2025 20:11

With a side order of Vance, Zuckerberg and Netanyahu.*
(*Other flavours are available)

Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible.
George Orwell

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5258416-trumpmusk-folie-a-deux-trump-thread-137

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Lalgarh · 21/02/2025 14:13

But why was ian wearing sunglasses indoors 🤔

bsky.app/profile/whstancil.bsky.social/post/3linu357inc2h

AcrossthePond55 · 21/02/2025 14:27

"I'm also fearful of eugenics being brought in under the banner of "wellbeing" - not sure how they will square that with the anti-abortion hypocrites but I'm sure they will find a way"

Simple. Forced sterilization for 'reproductive undesirables'. Used to be rather commonplace back in the day for 'mental defectives' (pardon my use of an offensive term) and POC. Mainly, of course, the women.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/469478098/the-supreme-court-ruling-that-led-to-70-000-forced-sterilizations

Wikipedia also has a very detailed page on the history of forced and coerced sterilization in the US.

SerendipityJane · 21/02/2025 14:29

And this decades "Desperate measures" awards goes to ...

https://www.dagens.com/autos/tesla-admits-it-may-have-gone-too-far-now-plans-a-comeback

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pentangles · 21/02/2025 15:06

Steve Bannon performs another Nazi salute.....media still reporting it as not a nazi salute, lol.
Nobody is even attempting to hide it at this point. It's all rather brazen. It's what i'd call 'comfortable with itself'.

I won't provide a picture as i don't have the stomach right now. Easy to locate, sadly.

TopPocketFind · 21/02/2025 15:13

NY Post

An unholy trinity or just a seedy threesome: Trump, Musk and Putin? - Trump thread #138
Spandauer · 21/02/2025 15:25

pentangles · 21/02/2025 15:06

Steve Bannon performs another Nazi salute.....media still reporting it as not a nazi salute, lol.
Nobody is even attempting to hide it at this point. It's all rather brazen. It's what i'd call 'comfortable with itself'.

I won't provide a picture as i don't have the stomach right now. Easy to locate, sadly.

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You just know he's pathetic enough to have practiced it in front of his bathroom mirror, and all the sniggering sycophants will be daring themselves to do their own version next time they find themselves at a Nazi MAGA gathering.

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Lalgarh · 21/02/2025 16:10

Background on that "medical crisis" tweet from Grimes, who is the mother of 3 of his 13 kids, including 4 year old X, who he was toting round the Oval Office and is Ian's "emotional support human"

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/grimes-elon-musk-child-medical-crisis-b1212460.html

pentangles · 21/02/2025 16:36

I'm always fascinated by men who apparently prioritise extreme right wing, 'traditional family values': I am going to presume that the onus is only on the women to provide children, stability and remain monogamous to the single family unit.

TopPocketFind · 21/02/2025 16:43

CPAC too toxic for French far right. Bardella cancels speech after Bannon Nazi salute. Antisemitism the new wedge issue on the far right…

https://www.barrons.com/news/france-far-right-leader-cancels-us-speech-after-nazi-gesture-by-ex-trump-aide-0a433cdf

BustingBaoBun · 21/02/2025 16:46

Spandauer · 21/02/2025 15:25

You just know he's pathetic enough to have practiced it in front of his bathroom mirror, and all the sniggering sycophants will be daring themselves to do their own version next time they find themselves at a Nazi MAGA gathering.

It makes me sick that the MAGAts deny it was a Nazi salute and one linked a series of pictures of Bernie Sanders with his hand in the air, no different to how a little child would put their hand up in class.

They know. Steve Bannon knew, he nodded and smirked after.

Spandauer · 21/02/2025 16:47

TopPocketFind · 21/02/2025 16:43

CPAC too toxic for French far right. Bardella cancels speech after Bannon Nazi salute. Antisemitism the new wedge issue on the far right…

https://www.barrons.com/news/france-far-right-leader-cancels-us-speech-after-nazi-gesture-by-ex-trump-aide-0a433cdf

Was just reading this - just mind-boggling how up is now down!

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Spandauer · 21/02/2025 16:50

Donald Trump Was Recruited by the KGB Under Codename ‘Krasnov’ Claims Former Soviet Spy Chief.
bylinetimes.com/2025/02/21/donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-under-codename-krasnov-claims-former-soviet-spy-chief/

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Spandauer · 21/02/2025 16:54

Sinn Féin to snub Trump on St. Patrick’s Day
Irish opposition party’s move highlights a diplomatic minefield for Ireland’s government ahead of expected White House meeting on March 17.

https://www.politico.eu/article/sinn-fein-ireland-snubbing-donald-trump-on-st-patricks-day/

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CaveMum · 21/02/2025 17:30

Exchange from today’s TRIP US, it’s auto generated so excuse typos and odd Loki g names:

KK - “What do you think is behind Donald Trump sounding so angry at Ukraine last night that he's blaming them for the war? What's the switch?

AS - My silence is because what I really think is not in the mainstream. And so what I really think, if I end up saying it on our podcast, people will say, OK, I'm being absurd. OK, so.

But I think there's a hold on him. I don't know why it's like this. McMaster couldn't figure it out.

Mattis couldn't figure it out. Kelly couldn't figure it out.

KK - Did you guys used to speak about this during the last administration when you were there?

AS - Yes. Some somebody last night from the former administration texted me, it's weird the relationship with Putin. It's just weird.

Meaning, if you didn't know any better, right? Let's say, let's give President Trump the benefit of the doubt, you would say, okay, he's obviously the American president. He can't be in the tank for Vladimir Putin.

But then, as you know, from the KGB, they do everything out in the open. Okay, so that's part of their technique, right? And there's Occam's razor.

If we open up the window, you hear a clippity-clop outside. It's a horse, Katty. It's not a zebra.

You can't overthink it. So this guy is repeating Kremlin talking points to the American media. He's bullying his Republican friends.

You know and I know that more than one senator has complained about credible death threats, where the FBI has reported to them, hey, we've got some credible death threats on our hands. And so I don't know. I mean, again, it's so obvious that it's probably not true, but you tell me, have we ever seen the sitting president of the United States go through talking points?

Okay, Alexander Dugan, who is a very famous inside of Russia philosopher, he wrote a piece which I sent to you this morning. Yeah, and he basically said that, you know, Lavrov is running Trump. Lavrov will be briefing Trump on what to do here to establish this new world order, which is a post-Soviet but pro-Russian.

Russia controls the Eastern European theater. I guess that means the reattachment of all of their republics and domination of Poland, I guess. I don't know.

Am I being too aggressive by saying this, Katty? You got to tell me, Eva, because I don't want people to say, oh, you know, he's got Trump derangement. I don't have Trump derangement syndrome.

I have Trump reality syndrome. I'm just telling you what we all saw, what we're all worried about.

The two tells are where he blatantly rewrites history, saying that the Ukrainians started the war. And the second tell is what you mentioned, calling for elections, which is straight out of Vladimir Putin's playbook. That is exactly what Vladimir Putin wants to happen.”

it’s worth listening to the whole episode, as always.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-politics-us/id1743030473?i=1000694612533

AcrossthePond55 · 21/02/2025 17:43

"I don't have Trump derangement syndrome.
I have Trump reality syndrome." (bolding mine)

Truer words were never spoken.

pentangles · 21/02/2025 18:38

This might seem like a strange question, but could he harm Wikipedia? It might seem to be the last bastion of many of the recently banned words/concepts.

For anyone new to this topic (I honestly tried to ignore it for the past year and a half!) this wiki page is a decently chronological and precise overview of everything that the Trump Admin has put into effect so far en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_presidency_of_Donald_Trump

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/02/2025 18:42

I thought Musk had tried to buy Wikipedia and they are refusing to sell.

Would ketamine addled billionaires qualify for wellness farms with no technology. Asking for a planet.

JoshLymanSwagger · 21/02/2025 18:42

TopPocketFind · 21/02/2025 16:43

CPAC too toxic for French far right. Bardella cancels speech after Bannon Nazi salute. Antisemitism the new wedge issue on the far right…

https://www.barrons.com/news/france-far-right-leader-cancels-us-speech-after-nazi-gesture-by-ex-trump-aide-0a433cdf

Wow. Liz Truss and Nigel Farage were there...

pentangles · 21/02/2025 18:55

And Grimes can fuck off.
"I kinda like the Patriarchy" and "I'm not fond of the word Woman".
The Stockholm syndrome effect is strong.

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/02/2025 18:57

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1892957880812269937

Cos play vicar Calvin Robinson has had his US visa revoked. Presumably because he’s jobless again.Guess he’s not as important to Trump as he thought. 😂

This is right up there with Lozza going all the way to the US to watch the inauguration with him in a hotel room. And Farage going to support Trump after he was shot.

pentangles · 21/02/2025 19:00

I also (reading the nazi salute link) think we ought to stop calling these people 'far right' and use the more appropriate term - extremists.

AcrossthePond55 · 21/02/2025 19:54

pentangles · 21/02/2025 19:00

I also (reading the nazi salute link) think we ought to stop calling these people 'far right' and use the more appropriate term - extremists.

They're no longer 'saying the quiet part out loud' they're screaming it loud and clear with a bullhorn (loud-hailer?). Extremist is appropriate.

As far as Wiki goes (think you were the one who asked about it). A LOT of damage could be done with a Trump/Musk takeover. It's an 'editable' webpage used and trusted by millions, one that depends on the knowledge, integrity, and honesty of those who create pages and those who edit them. In the wrong hands it would be a veritable minefield of 'twisted' and biased information and downright lies. And it would be also be a carefully selected group that would be allowed to create and edit.

pentangles · 21/02/2025 20:01

AcrossthePond55 · 21/02/2025 19:54

They're no longer 'saying the quiet part out loud' they're screaming it loud and clear with a bullhorn (loud-hailer?). Extremist is appropriate.

As far as Wiki goes (think you were the one who asked about it). A LOT of damage could be done with a Trump/Musk takeover. It's an 'editable' webpage used and trusted by millions, one that depends on the knowledge, integrity, and honesty of those who create pages and those who edit them. In the wrong hands it would be a veritable minefield of 'twisted' and biased information and downright lies. And it would be also be a carefully selected group that would be allowed to create and edit.

Thanks, it was me who asked.
That is so depressing. I don't think many people are aware of what we are potentially losing. It beggars belief.

Edit to add: What concerns me is how tied the UK is to the US due to our common language. Most of what we peruse online is generally in written English. I fear that a takeover of such sites would definitely impact other, predominantly English speaking countries. Say, for example, an autocratic country in Eastern Europe did something similar, or even China, we don't tend to consume their websites in the same way that we consume those from the US, so less likely to impact us or alter our perceptions.

I have just been reading about the cuts and lay offs across various agencies, from Epidemiology, scientific research and medical trials. So much vital information will be lost. It's terrifying.

Lalgarh · 21/02/2025 20:04

Spandauer · 21/02/2025 16:50

Donald Trump Was Recruited by the KGB Under Codename ‘Krasnov’ Claims Former Soviet Spy Chief.
bylinetimes.com/2025/02/21/donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-under-codename-krasnov-claims-former-soviet-spy-chief/

Wowsers.

There is that saying that everything Trump does makes sense if you think of him as a Russian asset.

And the link to Czech security services via 1st wife Ivana. Remember that the Czechs recruited John Stonehouse MP and are the lot featured in Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy by. John Le Carré

Igotjelly · 21/02/2025 20:04

pentangles · 21/02/2025 20:01

Thanks, it was me who asked.
That is so depressing. I don't think many people are aware of what we are potentially losing. It beggars belief.

Edit to add: What concerns me is how tied the UK is to the US due to our common language. Most of what we peruse online is generally in written English. I fear that a takeover of such sites would definitely impact other, predominantly English speaking countries. Say, for example, an autocratic country in Eastern Europe did something similar, or even China, we don't tend to consume their websites in the same way that we consume those from the US, so less likely to impact us or alter our perceptions.

I have just been reading about the cuts and lay offs across various agencies, from Epidemiology, scientific research and medical trials. So much vital information will be lost. It's terrifying.

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I may have said before so apologies if I have but I have a friend who is an epidemiologist in New York and they’re seriously worried about how much healthcare and science will be set back because of the research etc that’s being wholesale deleted for containing “prohibited” phrases.

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