An unholy trinity or just a seedy threesome: Trump, Musk and Putin? - Trump thread #138

[Spandauer]

With a side order of Vance, Zuckerberg and Netanyahu.*
(*Other flavours are available)

Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible.
George Orwell

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5258416-trumpmusk-folie-a-deux-trump-thread-137

<places very orange bath towel on sunbed>
ta muchly @Spandauer

Thank you for the new thread.

Thank you for this thread.

Having re-read 1984 a few months ago, I am convinced that Orwell had a Time Machine. He just didn't record the year correctly - he was 40+ years out

Thanks for the new thread

50% of 18 year olds will be in sub saharan africa by 2030

remember that

Thanks. Checking in.

pmk

Thanks for the new thread

This could be interesting

Delurking to thank the contributors

Thanks for the new thread. Remembered to change my name back for this one!

I hope you don't mind me adding these recommendations

Carole Cadwalldr's substack https://broligarchy.substack.com/
It's a coup https://broligarchy.substack.com/p/it-is-a-coup
Carole called this, broke the Cambridge Analytica story.

Robert Reich substack https://robertreich.substack.com/
Economics professor, secretary of labor in Clinton's administration
Robert Reich's YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@RBReich
First lecture of Robert Reich's UC Berkeley course on wealth and poverty - check out the graphs to see how we got here - wealth inequality has increased since 1980 and is nearly on par with the early 20th century

Byline Times, independent journalism https://bylinetimes.com/

Gary's Economics https://www.youtube.com/@garyseconomics
Former trader, studied economics at LSE, has a working class background and focusing on wealth inequality as the root cause of all of today's issues. I think wealth inequality is a root cause of how we have ended up here. Wealth inequality has been growing and living standards have been falling, this is how you end up with MAGA, and Reform in the UK.

Checking in!

Seems like the European leaders are getting together in Paris next week, organised by Macron.

According to BBC News at 10 it's to 'seriously discuss' Trump, Putin & Ukraine.

I don't think they're going to stand for Trump and his behaviour, but I'm not sure what they can do about it...

More here European leaders set to hold emergency summit on Ukraine www.bbc.com/news/articles/c04nw1pg3k2o

Just to say, it's me the sticky sweet. I was trying out a new name and forgot to sign out.

Still here. It’s been a long time now. Thanks for the new thread.

Tokyo what can they do about it? Why didn't they take more action years ago to shore up spending on defence?
The eu is a huge continent why on earth are they still relying on the USA?

Thanks for the new thread. I've been binge (re)watching Mad Men. It's a pretty sorry 'today' when it makes you yearn for the misogyny and sexism of yesteryear because all you can think of is 'no one on this show is as bad at Scrotus'.

Disappointed I missed out on the Thoroughbred naming. I was thinking of FuckScrotusAndTheHorseHeRodeInOn. But I suppose that's too long.

US goverment seeks to rehire recently fired nuclear workers - BBC News
Oops.

It's a big question, why are they still relying on the US? I think the answer in part is because they always have, the US has always been there and they've never really had to have a back up plan before, or countenance 'going it alone' - I genuinely don't think they ever thought the US would say 'nah, not helping you, we're gonna back the other guy.' (I absolutely know it's not that simple)

So now the choices are stick with the US, do what they want, because in a way we always have because it's mostly aligned with what we want too. Or say actually no, we're not doing that, we're doing something else even if we have to do it without you, or even against your wishes. That's never really happened before, so nobody really knows how that goes, but I suspect we might be about to get a little peek at finding out...

thanks for the new thread

Good morning, thanks for the threads. I don't post often but following avidly.

We were chatting yesterday, and I came up with a hypothesis that I hope you guys can discuss more fully, hopefully calm my nerves.... However, my knowledge of history and following current affairs show me this happening:

My theory is that I can see Vance taking over from Trump, so a good 12 years still of this, aka Project 25. They, together with Russia and China, complete an 'unholy trinity' whereby they have carte-blanche to take over the Americas, Europe and the East, and Russia and China argue over Africa. The Middle East deals with whoever they want. Russia ends up 'ruling' Europe by continuing to infiltrate and turn governments to install whoever they want, especially as Europe cannot and will not put the resources needed into fighting a war no one has the stomach for. This is already playing out in Hungary, possibly Germany and even France, etc. Ukraine will go the same way, as they will 'be able' to hold elections under 'peace', and Russia will make sure their man gets in (not obviously, of course). Even Australia is moving ever right...

It's like a reality game of Risk! Where we are the pawns (sorry for the mixed metaphor). 3 players, but they all win. We end up going back 100 years.

Talk me down 😩!

@TokyoSushi the eu knew trumps wishes on nato years ago.

Years and years ago, Russia and the threat didn't go away. What has Europe done to shore itself up.
USA hasn't said, nah we back the other guy the speech said we are still there but our focus is China.

If you needed the USA by your side would you prefer help with Russia or China.

The eu should have leverage, it should be able to say, we can Manage without you trump but it can't.

Marcon can puff up and strut about and call panicked meetings, 5 years too late