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Christmas market attack in Germany tonight😄 article linked

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Treetops11 · 20/12/2024 20:23

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg
I have attended many Christmas markets over the years. They are so crowded especially at the moment as German children finished school for the Christmas holidays. Frightening, my prayers are with all the victim's šŸ™

One killed and scores reportedly injured after car drives into German Christmas market – latest updates

Driver arrested after incident in Magdeburg, west of Berlin, according to media reports

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg

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Barbadossunset · 22/12/2024 22:50

We also don't know if he was already radicalized in Saudi Arabia.
If he was, the authorities really fucked up.

Katter which authorities - Saudi or German?

That was one year ago.
Why does that make a difference?

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:50

BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 22:47

Strange how it doesn't matter who he supports when it is afd, far right anti Muslim terrorists.

Why do all these men who are seeking asylum attack & murder those who welcomed them

There are lots of men who seek asylum who don't hurt anybody. They live peaceful lives contributing greatly to society. There are lots of men who have never claimed asylum anywhere who hurt people and contribute nothing. Perhaps your problem is men in general and you should cool off on the same type of anti immigration rhetoric that the afd use at this sensitive time.

I agree that there is many men & women who live very peaceful lives & contribute to their new home countries.
But the man in question like many, many others turned on those & the country who offered him asylum in his time of need. Its not anti immigration rhetoric. It's a fact!

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Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:51

Portakalkedi · 22/12/2024 22:50

But if you hate the country you have chosen to move to, then why not just fuck off back to your own country?

Exactly, that would make sense!

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BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 22:52

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:50

I agree that there is many men & women who live very peaceful lives & contribute to their new home countries.
But the man in question like many, many others turned on those & the country who offered him asylum in his time of need. Its not anti immigration rhetoric. It's a fact!

Your posts have been riddled with anti immigration rhetoric that the afd and this terrorists mutual tommy robinson would be proud of.

katter · 22/12/2024 22:54

Which is the case for the current government which this guy had to flee from.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:56

BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 22:52

Your posts have been riddled with anti immigration rhetoric that the afd and this terrorists mutual tommy robinson would be proud of.

It's not anti immigration rhetoric it's pointing out the obvious that many of those who have carried out awful atrocities have been seeking asylum in that country . It is a fact.

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Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:57

katter · 22/12/2024 22:54

Which is the case for the current government which this guy had to flee from.

He's fleeing for his own country for his own safety then goes & murders 5 & injured 200 in the country he is seeking asylum in.

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dcbgr · 22/12/2024 22:58

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Efacsen · 22/12/2024 22:58

coxesorangepippin · 22/12/2024 22:10

4 women and a child

Once again

There's a suggestion that he deliberately aimed for a fairytale castle installation - so possibly more children are among the most seriously injured

Also police are investigating whether he'd disabled the emergency breaking system which should have slowed down/stopped the car on first impact

All utterly grim and an awful insight into his thinking

katter · 22/12/2024 22:58

Barbadossunset · 22/12/2024 22:50

We also don't know if he was already radicalized in Saudi Arabia.
If he was, the authorities really fucked up.

Katter which authorities - Saudi or German?

That was one year ago.
Why does that make a difference?

The German authorities.
I just wanted to point out that we don't know if he was alreay radicalized before coming to germany. I don't rhink someone who hated muslims would come to Germany though. But maybe someone sympathizing withright wing politics.

cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 22:59

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:50

I agree that there is many men & women who live very peaceful lives & contribute to their new home countries.
But the man in question like many, many others turned on those & the country who offered him asylum in his time of need. Its not anti immigration rhetoric. It's a fact!

It's a fact that there are some men who have come to European countries and who have committed awful tragedies as we have seen.

You also agree that many men and women have come here, live peaceful lives and contribute, settle in, integrate and make a difference here.

So what are you trying to say then?
Are you asking why such men commit such tragedies ?
Are you asking what could drive them to do it?
Or are you suggesting we stop people coming here as immigrants?

DuncinToffee · 22/12/2024 22:59

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Are white immigrants ok with you?

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 22:59

dcbgr · 22/12/2024 22:42

at Scirocco do you understand statistics and evidence? There is a preponderance of evidence showing a) South Asian men have been involved in grooming and raping white English girls for decades; b) low-skilled immigrants from African and Asia are huge drains on tax payers; c) radical islamists have conducted numerous terrorist attacks and murdered dozens of English people.

Yes, I do. The majority group of offenders committing sexual abuse in the UK is white British men. 'Low-skilled' jobs keep essential sectors of society running - without people coming to do 'low-skilled' jobs, fruit and vegetables don't get picked, elderly people don't get personal care, etc. There are some demographics which cost more to the state than they generate in income or give back to society in other ways - these demographics are not exclusively immigrants. Terrorist attacks of any ideology are reprehensible and should be dealt with to the full extent of the law, with resources available to understand and address underlying contributing factors as well as resources available for counter-terrorism work.

I think immigration policies should be able to be reviewed and considered critically, but I don't think we should fear the positives that other people and other cultures can contribute. We shouldn't let this man's agenda get any more airtime - that's partly what he'll have wanted. And we shouldn't disrespect the pain of people involved, by using this as an opportunity to attack the very minority groups this man seems to have hated.

Barbadossunset · 22/12/2024 23:00

Katter - ah ok, yes I take your point.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:01

Efacsen · 22/12/2024 22:58

There's a suggestion that he deliberately aimed for a fairytale castle installation - so possibly more children are among the most seriously injured

Also police are investigating whether he'd disabled the emergency breaking system which should have slowed down/stopped the car on first impact

All utterly grim and an awful insight into his thinking

Just horrific. Like those cretins who planned to attack the Taylor Swift concert. They aim for the most vulnerable. 1 child & 4 women gone too soon, enjoying their advent in the run up to Christmas.
The German schools finished up for the Christmas holidays earlier that day so the market would have been full of children & families.

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dcbgr · 22/12/2024 23:02

scirocco you don't understand math do you? People who cost more than they contribute can never be an advantage to a country. We have plenty of low-skilled people in Britain who can do jobs we don't need to import people who will be a net cost to the country.

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 23:02

YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/12/2024 22:42

"This shit show of a thread."

How about the shit show of Islamist terror attacks over the past 20 years which have killed and maimed many people. My niece lost her best friend in Manchester Arena and was in therapy for months afterwards. But they probably deserved it because they were "crusaders."

I'm sorry for your niece's loss. The Manchester Arena attack was horrendous.

dcbgr · 22/12/2024 23:03

and we just light a candle and move on. when do we say 'enough is enough'. those poor girls in southport

cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 23:04

dcbgr · 22/12/2024 23:02

scirocco you don't understand math do you? People who cost more than they contribute can never be an advantage to a country. We have plenty of low-skilled people in Britain who can do jobs we don't need to import people who will be a net cost to the country.

math?

Are you from the UK?

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 23:05

dcbgr · 22/12/2024 23:02

scirocco you don't understand math do you? People who cost more than they contribute can never be an advantage to a country. We have plenty of low-skilled people in Britain who can do jobs we don't need to import people who will be a net cost to the country.

Well, if you ask the people already here to do those jobs, they tend to say no. Or do a resoundingly shit job. As a society we do need people to do the jobs, so it's a good thing that people are willing to come and do them.

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So you're an American?

Talking about English schools, indigenous English people. And

" If we try and change things we may continue as a people in a country we have made our own, lived in for 2,000 years and given the world incredible gifts of science, art and literature."

We?

BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 23:09

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:56

It's not anti immigration rhetoric it's pointing out the obvious that many of those who have carried out awful atrocities have been seeking asylum in that country . It is a fact.

It's been a lot more than that over the course of this thread. If you can't see that then maybe you have spent too much time around the type of people this terrorist seemed desperate to belong to and that kind of thing has become normalised to you.

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 23:11

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Where have I said I have contempt or hate for anyone?

I've referenced some facts about life in the UK.

How is an alien going to replace my children?

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