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Christmas market attack in Germany tonight😄 article linked

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Treetops11 · 20/12/2024 20:23

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg
I have attended many Christmas markets over the years. They are so crowded especially at the moment as German children finished school for the Christmas holidays. Frightening, my prayers are with all the victim's šŸ™

One killed and scores reportedly injured after car drives into German Christmas market – latest updates

Driver arrested after incident in Magdeburg, west of Berlin, according to media reports

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg

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Scirocco · 22/12/2024 22:32

dcbgr · 22/12/2024 22:23

There have now been several detailed studies that show immigrants from high income countries are net positive to the countries they move to. But immigrants from Africa and the middle east are an enormous cost to tax payers. Around 2 million dollar costs over their life time. See the links previously. Not only that, some immigrants obviously degrade our quality of life by being noisy, dirty, corrupt, misogynist, cruel to animals, grooming and raping girl children. If your own lived experience doesn't show this go check out the statistics. This is not invented: it happens. So the question is: if we continue in this track white English people will be a minority in 40 years and extinct in 100 years. If we try and change things we may continue as a people in a country we have made our own, lived in for 2,000 years and given the world incredible gifts of science, art and literature.

Do you know who else does things like being "noisy, dirty, corrupt, misogynist, cruel to animals, grooming and raping girl children" and can be a net drain on the state? Some white English/British people. The majority of criminal offences are not carried out by immigrants.

White English/British people aren't going extinct. Society is simply changing.

England/Britain is not the only part of the world to have made contributions to science, art, literature and more.

The kingdom of England was first unified as a sovereign state in, I believe, the 10th century.

cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 22:33

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:31

So it basically is a one way system so. That's not very fair it & another example of how division is caused within nations.

So you are saying that people shouldn't be allowed to claim asylum from countries where they fear persecution if the countries they are fleeing from don't accept refugees also?

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:35

BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 22:25

Of course it isn't ridiculous. What's ridiculous is that you cannot move past the fact that the man was a brown man from Saudi Arabia and ditch all of your preconceived notions of what that means. The man supports Afd, he supports the far right, he is anti Muslim and he also carried out a grave terror attack. He is not the first member of the far right to do so.

Where did I once refer to him as a "brown man"!??? You really are clutching at straws.

It doesn't matter who he supports . He is yet another man who is seeking asylum in a country who attacks, murders & injures hundreds of innocent citizens. Why do all these men who are seeking asylum attack & murder those who welcomed them?

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DuncinToffee · 22/12/2024 22:36

cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 22:29

Saudi Arabia aren't signatories of the 1951 Refugee Convention so it could be a struggle for her.

I don't think she has thought this through......

Zonder · 22/12/2024 22:37

dcbgr · 22/12/2024 22:23

There have now been several detailed studies that show immigrants from high income countries are net positive to the countries they move to. But immigrants from Africa and the middle east are an enormous cost to tax payers. Around 2 million dollar costs over their life time. See the links previously. Not only that, some immigrants obviously degrade our quality of life by being noisy, dirty, corrupt, misogynist, cruel to animals, grooming and raping girl children. If your own lived experience doesn't show this go check out the statistics. This is not invented: it happens. So the question is: if we continue in this track white English people will be a minority in 40 years and extinct in 100 years. If we try and change things we may continue as a people in a country we have made our own, lived in for 2,000 years and given the world incredible gifts of science, art and literature.

Do you have links for those detailed studies? Preferably reliable ones, not the RAIR foundation!

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:37

cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 22:33

So you are saying that people shouldn't be allowed to claim asylum from countries where they fear persecution if the countries they are fleeing from don't accept refugees also?

Surely it should be a two way system. Saudi Arabia have the infrastructure, economy & space to accommodate thousands of refugees. If their citizens can seek asylum in Europe surely Europeans seeking asylum should be able to go to Saudi especially seeing as they have the resources? There's no excuse for them not to do their bit.

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Zonder · 22/12/2024 22:38

cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 22:33

So you are saying that people shouldn't be allowed to claim asylum from countries where they fear persecution if the countries they are fleeing from don't accept refugees also?

Yeah cos that makes sense šŸ¤”

katter · 22/12/2024 22:38

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:15

How many immigrants are not working in the UK, have many children & are a drain on society? How do those numbers compare to those in the NHS.
How many in schools across the country with no English & parents make no effort to learn the language & support their children's education? TAs & schools struggling to cope with these children & it's having a knock on effect on other children in the class.
These are the questions that need answering.

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I can't speak for the UK but the costs of supporting migrants through benefits has been balanced by the pensions those immigrants support.
Without Immigration it won't be possible to keep the current demographic structure which means that the pension system will Collage.
There are certainly problems with integrating reefugees into society. A right wing party doesn't help with them though.

DuncinToffee · 22/12/2024 22:39

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:31

So it basically is a one way system so. That's not very fair it & another example of how division is caused within nations.

It's not fair that you are lucky enough not to be a refugee or asylum seeker?

Efacsen · 22/12/2024 22:40

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 22:01

Is there actual evidence that he was mentally ill to the extent that it would mean he lacked responsibility for his actions or would be considered a mitigating factor in a court?

He'd apparently been on sick leave since the end of October and had had several episodes of sick leave since the summer - but no further details - could have been psychosis or could have been piles

Also reports of incr conflict with clients at the clinic - but lots of sick leave/missed sessions

A colleague has described him as psychopath - predating the attack

Sources - German press via the Guardian

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cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 22:41

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:37

Surely it should be a two way system. Saudi Arabia have the infrastructure, economy & space to accommodate thousands of refugees. If their citizens can seek asylum in Europe surely Europeans seeking asylum should be able to go to Saudi especially seeing as they have the resources? There's no excuse for them not to do their bit.

I am sure they do.

But are you saying that if a woman feared persecution in Saudi Arabia for her views, then you would not allow her to claim asylum and flee persecution because Saudi Arabia did not allow people to claim refuge there?

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:41

katter · 22/12/2024 22:38

I can't speak for the UK but the costs of supporting migrants through benefits has been balanced by the pensions those immigrants support.
Without Immigration it won't be possible to keep the current demographic structure which means that the pension system will Collage.
There are certainly problems with integrating reefugees into society. A right wing party doesn't help with them though.

But the party that is currently governing is doing a terrible job also . So many multiculturalism just isn't working. Immigrants need to adapt to the country they move to not expect society to change to suit them. Many do an excellent job but some have no inclination or interest. They hate western, liberal society but expect it to change to suit their demands

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/12/2024 22:42

"This shit show of a thread."

How about the shit show of Islamist terror attacks over the past 20 years which have killed and maimed many people. My niece lost her best friend in Manchester Arena and was in therapy for months afterwards. But they probably deserved it because they were "crusaders."

dcbgr · 22/12/2024 22:42

at Scirocco do you understand statistics and evidence? There is a preponderance of evidence showing a) South Asian men have been involved in grooming and raping white English girls for decades; b) low-skilled immigrants from African and Asia are huge drains on tax payers; c) radical islamists have conducted numerous terrorist attacks and murdered dozens of English people.

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 22:43

Efacsen · 22/12/2024 22:40

He'd apparently been on sick leave since the end of October and had had several episodes of sick leave since the summer - but no further details - could have been psychosis or could have been piles

Also reports of incr conflict with clients at the clinic - but lots of sick leave/missed sessions

A colleague has described him as psychopath - predating the attack

Sources - German press via the Guardian

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Thanks.

I think it's interesting that people are quick to attribute this to mental illness, when there's nothing concrete.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:43

DuncinToffee · 22/12/2024 22:39

It's not fair that you are lucky enough not to be a refugee or asylum seeker?

Well I feel oppressed as males are allowed in female spaces. This threatens my security & impinges on my rights as a female to have designated safe female spaces

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/12/2024 22:44

And next time you have to take your liquids out and shoes off in an airport remember why.

dcbgr · 22/12/2024 22:45

This is why we can't have nice things.

cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 22:45

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:43

Well I feel oppressed as males are allowed in female spaces. This threatens my security & impinges on my rights as a female to have designated safe female spaces

So go claim asylum in another country which is a signatory?
Uganda would be good. The death penalty is there for same sex relationships.

There are plenty of countries who are signatories where it's illegal to be trans so you would be safe.
However, women's rights might not be so good there.

katter · 22/12/2024 22:46

Barbadossunset · 22/12/2024 22:26

We also don't know if he was already radicalized in Saudi Arabia.
If he was, the authorities really fucked up.

Katter this is from sky news
Saudi Arabian sources say they repeatedly warned Germany about the suspect's "extremist" views.

But Germany apparently ignored these warnings.

That was one year ago.

BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 22:47

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:35

Where did I once refer to him as a "brown man"!??? You really are clutching at straws.

It doesn't matter who he supports . He is yet another man who is seeking asylum in a country who attacks, murders & injures hundreds of innocent citizens. Why do all these men who are seeking asylum attack & murder those who welcomed them?

Strange how it doesn't matter who he supports when it is afd, far right anti Muslim terrorists.

Why do all these men who are seeking asylum attack & murder those who welcomed them

There are lots of men who seek asylum who don't hurt anybody. They live peaceful lives contributing greatly to society. There are lots of men who have never claimed asylum anywhere who hurt people and contribute nothing. Perhaps your problem is men in general and you should cool off on the same type of anti immigration rhetoric that the afd use at this sensitive time.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 22:48

YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/12/2024 22:42

"This shit show of a thread."

How about the shit show of Islamist terror attacks over the past 20 years which have killed and maimed many people. My niece lost her best friend in Manchester Arena and was in therapy for months afterwards. But they probably deserved it because they were "crusaders."

Horrific . Look at the Paris atrocities, the concert in Moscow, Arianna Grande, those poor children attending the Taylor Swift camp during the summer, the attack on the Christmas market in 2018, children stabbed in Dublin last Christmas.. I shudder to think about what could have happened at the Taylor Swift concert in Vienna, thank God Austrian police were on the ball.

The common denominator is these men turning on the country & very citizens who offered them refuge & asylum . It's a fact.

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BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 22:49

YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/12/2024 22:42

"This shit show of a thread."

How about the shit show of Islamist terror attacks over the past 20 years which have killed and maimed many people. My niece lost her best friend in Manchester Arena and was in therapy for months afterwards. But they probably deserved it because they were "crusaders."

That's an awful think to say about victims of a terrorist attack especially when it was close to home for you. I hope you can get some help.

Efacsen · 22/12/2024 22:49

Scirocco · 22/12/2024 22:43

Thanks.

I think it's interesting that people are quick to attribute this to mental illness, when there's nothing concrete.

Indeed - tho' fellow psych thinking he's a psychopath is a bit concerning

The other bit I missed was he was positive for unspecified illegal drugs on arrest -???maybe an ongoing problem

Portakalkedi · 22/12/2024 22:50

But if you hate the country you have chosen to move to, then why not just fuck off back to your own country?

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