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Christmas market attack in Germany tonight😄 article linked

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Treetops11 · 20/12/2024 20:23

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg
I have attended many Christmas markets over the years. They are so crowded especially at the moment as German children finished school for the Christmas holidays. Frightening, my prayers are with all the victim's šŸ™

One killed and scores reportedly injured after car drives into German Christmas market – latest updates

Driver arrested after incident in Magdeburg, west of Berlin, according to media reports

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg

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Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:11

BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 23:09

It's been a lot more than that over the course of this thread. If you can't see that then maybe you have spent too much time around the type of people this terrorist seemed desperate to belong to and that kind of thing has become normalised to you.

Can you please quote me where I called him a "brown man" as you alleged up thread? This is misinformation you know. I have already asked you. Please find where I said this!
Fact is not anti immigration you know. We should be able to state facts.

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Scirocco · 22/12/2024 23:14

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Also, no, there are lots of people who are not willing to work in those 'low-skilled' jobs, even for a decent wage.

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:16

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:11

Can you please quote me where I called him a "brown man" as you alleged up thread? This is misinformation you know. I have already asked you. Please find where I said this!
Fact is not anti immigration you know. We should be able to state facts.

On the subject of not replying to someone, you didn't reply to my question of whether English is your mother tongue. It doesn't always appear so and that would add an interesting element to your posts.

Efacsen · 22/12/2024 23:17

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I know some of these 'hostile aliens' pretty well - uni educated Christian W Africans who were recruited in Nigeria to work in a local care home after months and months of these jobs being advertised in Indeed

Your de-humanising language is real insight into your mindset

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:19

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:16

On the subject of not replying to someone, you didn't reply to my question of whether English is your mother tongue. It doesn't always appear so and that would add an interesting element to your posts.

Yes English is my mother tongue. I could ask the same about you as your comprehension seems to be a bit vague at times which adds an idiotic element to your posts!
Also @zonder don't forget to add your question mark when asking a question. Punctuation is very important in our English language!

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Efacsen · 22/12/2024 23:20

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:16

On the subject of not replying to someone, you didn't reply to my question of whether English is your mother tongue. It doesn't always appear so and that would add an interesting element to your posts.

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Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:22

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:19

Yes English is my mother tongue. I could ask the same about you as your comprehension seems to be a bit vague at times which adds an idiotic element to your posts!
Also @zonder don't forget to add your question mark when asking a question. Punctuation is very important in our English language!

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I didn't ask a direct question in that post. It's not me with the comprehension issues.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:25

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:22

I didn't ask a direct question in that post. It's not me with the comprehension issues.

It most certainly is you! Your comprehension has been very selective.

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1dayatatime · 22/12/2024 23:29

@Scirocco

"Well, if you ask the people already here to do those jobs, they tend to say no. Or do a resoundingly shit job. As a society we do need people to do the jobs, so it's a good thing that people are willing to come and do them."

So right now there are 9 million economically inactive people in the UK. As a radical idea rather than importing labour to do jobs why not get the people who are already in the UK to do the work.

In answer to your statement that "they tend to say no" then you might ask why is this?

The answer is that for private businesses it's more profitable for them to pay low salaries to imported labour than it is to pay higher salaries to existing UK nationals. And for the Government it is cheaper to hire say nursing staff from abroad rather than pay UK nationals the higher salaries that would attract people into say nursing.

It is economically insane to be paying UK nationals benefits to remain economically inactive and at the same time bring in workers from overseas to do the work simply because greedy employers want higher profits or the Government doesn't want to pay the salaries that would recruit and retain.

You may sneer and write off these economically inactive as "doing a resoundingly shit job" but I on the other hand want to bring them back into work by making it more attractive to be employed than not, benefiting them, the economy and society.

DuncinToffee · 22/12/2024 23:31

cakeorwine · 22/12/2024 23:08

So you're an American?

Talking about English schools, indigenous English people. And

" If we try and change things we may continue as a people in a country we have made our own, lived in for 2,000 years and given the world incredible gifts of science, art and literature."

We?

a royal we as in Elon and dcbgr?

1dayatatime · 22/12/2024 23:32

@Efacsen

"I know some of these 'hostile aliens' pretty well - uni educated Christian W Africans who were recruited in Nigeria to work in a local care home after months and months of these jobs being advertised in Indeed"

Hmmm and why do you think that these jobs in local care homes went unfilled after months and months of being advertised?

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:34

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:25

It most certainly is you! Your comprehension has been very selective.

Right. You're the boss. You and your dodgy racist views.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:34

1dayatatime · 22/12/2024 23:29

@Scirocco

"Well, if you ask the people already here to do those jobs, they tend to say no. Or do a resoundingly shit job. As a society we do need people to do the jobs, so it's a good thing that people are willing to come and do them."

So right now there are 9 million economically inactive people in the UK. As a radical idea rather than importing labour to do jobs why not get the people who are already in the UK to do the work.

In answer to your statement that "they tend to say no" then you might ask why is this?

The answer is that for private businesses it's more profitable for them to pay low salaries to imported labour than it is to pay higher salaries to existing UK nationals. And for the Government it is cheaper to hire say nursing staff from abroad rather than pay UK nationals the higher salaries that would attract people into say nursing.

It is economically insane to be paying UK nationals benefits to remain economically inactive and at the same time bring in workers from overseas to do the work simply because greedy employers want higher profits or the Government doesn't want to pay the salaries that would recruit and retain.

You may sneer and write off these economically inactive as "doing a resoundingly shit job" but I on the other hand want to bring them back into work by making it more attractive to be employed than not, benefiting them, the economy and society.

Run! They are not fans of fact , common sense or critical thinking on this thread!

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Efacsen · 22/12/2024 23:34

DuncinToffee · 22/12/2024 23:31

a royal we as in Elon and dcbgr?

And Tommy two names

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:35

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:34

Run! They are not fans of fact , common sense or critical thinking on this thread!

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Scirocco · 22/12/2024 23:35

@1dayatatime it would indeed be good to get some of the economically inactive people back into employment. There are multiple challenges to that, though, which mean that as a society we do still need people willing to come and work in the UK in these 'low-skilled' jobs. It's not as simple as the other poster was suggesting.

katter · 22/12/2024 23:36

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:34

Run! They are not fans of fact , common sense or critical thinking on this thread!

Thank god you are here to help us... by posting the exact same sentences over and over again.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:39

Zonder · 22/12/2024 23:34

Right. You're the boss. You and your dodgy racist views.

Racist ? Show me my racist views. Stating the obvious & common denominator is not racist. It is the hard facts.
The man who committed these heinous, evil atrocities is exactly the same as many of the others who sought asylum then repaid their host country by murdering & injuring them. It's fact. It's truth. Don't called me racist , I have not brought race into this. The men who carried out the attacks were all from different nationalities who happened to be seeking asylum.
You can't try & silence people pointing out the facts by calling them racist.

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Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:40

katter · 22/12/2024 23:36

Thank god you are here to help us... by posting the exact same sentences over and over again.

Quote me where I have used that exact sentence please!

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BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 23:44

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:11

Can you please quote me where I called him a "brown man" as you alleged up thread? This is misinformation you know. I have already asked you. Please find where I said this!
Fact is not anti immigration you know. We should be able to state facts.

Misinformation šŸ˜‚Funny how you don't like it when you are shoved into a box but are more than willing to shove immigrants into one. If you don't like that your posts are coming across like you are an Afd sympathiser than maybe you should think about how you phrase your posts. I'm far from the only one who has picked up on it, it seems like a you problem to me.

1dayatatime · 22/12/2024 23:45

@Scirocco

"There are multiple challenges to that, though, which mean that as a society we do still need people willing to come and work in the UK in these 'low-skilled' jobs. "

You see "low skilled jobs " whereas as I see "low paid jobs". If you make these jobs financially attractive enough to come off benefits and get back into work then you will have no problem filling these jobs.

It's ridiculous that the taxpayer has to either top up low salaries through working credits or pay benefits for people to remain economically inactive simply because greedy employers want higher profits by paying low wages to imported labour.

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:46

BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 23:44

Misinformation šŸ˜‚Funny how you don't like it when you are shoved into a box but are more than willing to shove immigrants into one. If you don't like that your posts are coming across like you are an Afd sympathiser than maybe you should think about how you phrase your posts. I'm far from the only one who has picked up on it, it seems like a you problem to me.

Where did I call the man a "brown man"? This is what you said. I want you to show me where I have said this.

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BadgerInDungarees · 22/12/2024 23:47

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:39

Racist ? Show me my racist views. Stating the obvious & common denominator is not racist. It is the hard facts.
The man who committed these heinous, evil atrocities is exactly the same as many of the others who sought asylum then repaid their host country by murdering & injuring them. It's fact. It's truth. Don't called me racist , I have not brought race into this. The men who carried out the attacks were all from different nationalities who happened to be seeking asylum.
You can't try & silence people pointing out the facts by calling them racist.

Many others? What is many? What percentage of asylum seekers do you think are committing atrocities that you would label it as 'many of the others'. More than 1million asylum seekers applied for asylum for the first time in Europe last year, what percentage of them have gone to on to commit atrocities like this Afd sympathiser? This is why people think you are coming across as racist.

katter · 22/12/2024 23:48

Treetops11 · 22/12/2024 23:40

Quote me where I have used that exact sentence please!

"This man like many others who planned or carried out evil atrocities was seeking asylum in a country but attacked the very country and murdered & maimed hundreds of the civilians who offered him safety & shelter. He is no different from any of the others who savagely attacked those who gave them safety."
Page 23, 24, 25 oh and on this page.
Haven't looked up the other posts.
Copy and paste isn't really a good thing when it comes to arguing.

DuncinToffee · 22/12/2024 23:49

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9790/

Migrants in the UK on visas, illegally or seeking asylum are usually ineligible for welfare benefits and social housing. This is referred to as having ā€˜no recourse to public funds’, or ā€˜NRPF’.

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