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Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

702 replies

InnocentOrGuilty · 12/05/2024 09:48

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

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RosieTheChi · 16/05/2024 08:47

Whether legal or not, I don't understand why anyone would want a book of naked children to look at. I've seen some of the content of the book MJ had and I would be deeply concerned if someone I knew owned that and enjoyed looking at it.

ChishiyaBat · 16/05/2024 08:59

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 00:49

Honestly these apologists walk among us. Jackson could have absurd a child on the red carpet and people would make excuses for the nonce.

Imagine being that kind of person - you like a bit of music so believe that EIGHT victims are liars because….well you like the music of the man abusing them.

It blows my mind.

It's absolutely nuts isn't it! Their skull sponges must look like pretzels trying to justify all his filthy nonce behaviour. They have no sympathy for any of the victims, they are just liars who were after his money and that's how they justify the grooming and abuse. All the cries of "he was just a boy trapped in a mans body because he didn't have a childhood" bollocks makes me sick!

Beefcurtains79 · 16/05/2024 09:02

Mirabai · 16/05/2024 08:26

The vast majority of that list is legal porn.

Can you even hear yourself?

I know, what an asexual man want with porn?

ChishiyaBat · 16/05/2024 09:02

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 00:55

YBH I didn’t need James and Wade’s testimonies to believe Jackson was a pedophile. I believe Jordy and I believed Gavin. At the time of the Gavin trial I thought I’d fallen through the looking glass with so many people defending quite an obvious pedophile. I was so happy when he died, and happy when Wade then James came out with the truth. I feel like people with more than half a brain cell now accept he was a pedophile and I’m pleased I’ve thought it all along.

Same I fell out with my best friend at the time over it, she defended him, I told her she was a nonce sympathiser. She soon wised up, still listens to him, but thinks there is some credence to the claims, even though she doesn't want to believe it.

Beefcurtains79 · 16/05/2024 09:06

RosieTheChi · 16/05/2024 08:47

Whether legal or not, I don't understand why anyone would want a book of naked children to look at. I've seen some of the content of the book MJ had and I would be deeply concerned if someone I knew owned that and enjoyed looking at it.

And if was a gift, someone bought it for him knowing he’d like it didn’t they? No one has ever bought me, or anyone I know a book like that, as they know the recipient would be disgusted, offended and it would go straight in the bin.

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 09:08

Beefcurtains79 · 16/05/2024 09:06

And if was a gift, someone bought it for him knowing he’d like it didn’t they? No one has ever bought me, or anyone I know a book like that, as they know the recipient would be disgusted, offended and it would go straight in the bin.

Someone upthread claimed that they were gifts from fans and he had them on a bookshelf or somethings. But the evidence sheet shows they were next to his bath, in his bedroom etc.

Beefcurtains79 · 16/05/2024 09:15

So he had a lot of nonce fans too then. Makes sense. He was so fucking disgusting, I’m very glad he’s dead.

x2boys · 16/05/2024 09:32

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 00:55

YBH I didn’t need James and Wade’s testimonies to believe Jackson was a pedophile. I believe Jordy and I believed Gavin. At the time of the Gavin trial I thought I’d fallen through the looking glass with so many people defending quite an obvious pedophile. I was so happy when he died, and happy when Wade then James came out with the truth. I feel like people with more than half a brain cell now accept he was a pedophile and I’m pleased I’ve thought it all along.

I watched leading never land a few years ago ,i don't want to watch it again as I found it so disturbing and very graphic
I was prepared yo be open minded before leaving neverland
I remember watching the Martin Bashir interview years ago ,and he came across as very odd ,very spoilt used to getting his own way ,he appeared very nieve,when Martin was asking him about sleeping with boys ,but I guess that was all part of the " persona"
Even if we ignore all the glaring red flags,
He was certainly emotionally abusive to those boys building them up ,and have them follow him and stay in his room ,travel all over the world with him to drop them at adolescent, is just cruel.

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 09:39

x2boys · 16/05/2024 09:32

I watched leading never land a few years ago ,i don't want to watch it again as I found it so disturbing and very graphic
I was prepared yo be open minded before leaving neverland
I remember watching the Martin Bashir interview years ago ,and he came across as very odd ,very spoilt used to getting his own way ,he appeared very nieve,when Martin was asking him about sleeping with boys ,but I guess that was all part of the " persona"
Even if we ignore all the glaring red flags,
He was certainly emotionally abusive to those boys building them up ,and have them follow him and stay in his room ,travel all over the world with him to drop them at adolescent, is just cruel.

Yes their heartbreak at being dumped by their ‘boyfriend’ and the heartbreak they still feel today, and the conflicting feeling that brings, was absolutely palpable.

I do recommend their podcast they speak to survivors like them and also psychologists on all aspects of trauma. They don’t make it about them unless a guest asks them to and engage really well on so many important topics. It’s not an easy listen though, I save the episodes for when I’m in the mood to stomach them. And yes leaving Neverland was way more graphic than I expected and I commend them for using those brave words.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 16/05/2024 12:50

I’m quite fascinated by the psychology of superfans and their capacity for denial and cognitive dissonance. They remind me of religious fundamentalist cult members. There is absolutely no point in arguing with them. They could be presented with the hardest of evidence, but their disorder makes them incapable of critical or rational thinking.

Those books in his possession of naked boys btw were (at the time of publication) and still are highly controversial in the art world.

Mirabai · 16/05/2024 13:55

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 16/05/2024 12:50

I’m quite fascinated by the psychology of superfans and their capacity for denial and cognitive dissonance. They remind me of religious fundamentalist cult members. There is absolutely no point in arguing with them. They could be presented with the hardest of evidence, but their disorder makes them incapable of critical or rational thinking.

Those books in his possession of naked boys btw were (at the time of publication) and still are highly controversial in the art world.

I agree and that’s why I’m so militant about the need for a reckoning with MJ’s abuses.

It’s not simply that a prolific globally famous paedophile must called to account; but also analysis of the impact of cult of fame on public perception and indeed justice in the case.

MJ has avoided the Savile moment due to his global popularity and the vast sums of money involved.

Nave · 16/05/2024 15:01

Guilty

Rainbowbrite83 · 16/05/2024 23:03

GUILTY
GUILTY
GUILTY
GUILTY

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SLIGEACHEIRE · 16/05/2024 23:36

https://twitter.com/isjusticedenied/status/1791095932240757137

Wade is a disgusting liar. As is James. You know Wade was broke(still is), as is James(who conveniently recollected that he was abused a month after he and his family were being sued for $1 million). And Dan Reed is a snake who has admitted that his one-sided hit piece wouldn't have been made if Michael Jackson was still alive, as they would have been successfully sued for such blatant lies.

Do people realise that the dead have no legal protection from lies and their Estate can't sue back? The perjurers Wade and James know this.

https://twitter.com/isjusticedenied/status/1791095932240757137

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 23:42

SLIGEACHEIRE · 16/05/2024 23:36

https://twitter.com/isjusticedenied/status/1791095932240757137

Wade is a disgusting liar. As is James. You know Wade was broke(still is), as is James(who conveniently recollected that he was abused a month after he and his family were being sued for $1 million). And Dan Reed is a snake who has admitted that his one-sided hit piece wouldn't have been made if Michael Jackson was still alive, as they would have been successfully sued for such blatant lies.

Do people realise that the dead have no legal protection from lies and their Estate can't sue back? The perjurers Wade and James know this.

Show us proof that Michael Jackson did NOT abuse those boys. Because none of those people can prove his innocence and they also have a vested interest in him staying popular.

Anyone who understand the complexities of grooming can absolutely understand why victims feel beholden to their abusers.
Wade Robson is not broke he’s a very successful businessman and dancer

Dan Reed simply said that there’s a litigious risk of accusing someone when there still alive.

Im not sure if MJ apologist suffer from some kind of illness but to wilfully deny the blatantly obvious HAS to be linked to a disorder rather than just being a pedo sympathiser

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 23:43

Also who she’d James Safechuck for $1m and why? Did they win?

SLIGEACHEIRE · 16/05/2024 23:49

Boomer55 · 14/05/2024 16:37

Of course he was guilty. The trial turned into some sort of racial saga, plus he sang nice tunes.🙄

Complete BS. Race was never mentioned as an issue. You've clearly demonstrated your total lack of knowledge of the case and proved to the world that you're $#####.

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 23:51

SLIGEACHEIRE · 16/05/2024 23:49

Complete BS. Race was never mentioned as an issue. You've clearly demonstrated your total lack of knowledge of the case and proved to the world that you're $#####.

It was.

But your hero is still a big fat nonce.

Can I ask - what if you’re wrong? What if you found out be unequivocally is a pedophile? What would you say?

Itsmychristmasdress · 16/05/2024 23:55

SLIGEACHEIRE · 16/05/2024 23:36

https://twitter.com/isjusticedenied/status/1791095932240757137

Wade is a disgusting liar. As is James. You know Wade was broke(still is), as is James(who conveniently recollected that he was abused a month after he and his family were being sued for $1 million). And Dan Reed is a snake who has admitted that his one-sided hit piece wouldn't have been made if Michael Jackson was still alive, as they would have been successfully sued for such blatant lies.

Do people realise that the dead have no legal protection from lies and their Estate can't sue back? The perjurers Wade and James know this.

If I were you I would back away from MN. Your posting is concerning. You don't know MJ or his family or anyone connected so you don't need to keep defending him and other people are allowed to disagree with your opinion.
For your own sanity. I think you should walk away.

ChishiyaBat · 16/05/2024 23:56

There's a "disgusting liar" in this scenario for sure, one who liked to sleep with little boys and who has a whole host of nonce sympathisers defending his ahem honor, despite him thankfully being dead for years!

Mirabai · 17/05/2024 00:02

In actual fact, it was James Safechuck’s father’s company that was sued for $400k (about £300k) 6 years before Leaving Neverland was released, for which, in any case, James was not paid.

SLIGEACHEIRE · 17/05/2024 00:03

YaMuvva · 16/05/2024 23:43

Also who she’d James Safechuck for $1m and why? Did they win?

Two women sued James Safechuck's parents family buisness for large sum. Just a little over a year later, Safechuck filed his own civil suit against Michael Jackson's Estate

https://www.reddit.com/r/MJInnocent/comments/1biduos/two_women_sued_james_safechucks_parents_family/

James was included in the lawsuit.

SLIGEACHEIRE · 17/05/2024 00:04

Mirabai · 17/05/2024 00:02

In actual fact, it was James Safechuck’s father’s company that was sued for $400k (about £300k) 6 years before Leaving Neverland was released, for which, in any case, James was not paid.

Your post didn't age well.

YaMuvva · 17/05/2024 00:05

SLIGEACHEIRE · 17/05/2024 00:03

Two women sued James Safechuck's parents family buisness for large sum. Just a little over a year later, Safechuck filed his own civil suit against Michael Jackson's Estate

https://www.reddit.com/r/MJInnocent/comments/1biduos/two_women_sued_james_safechucks_parents_family/

James was included in the lawsuit.

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Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?
Mirabai · 17/05/2024 00:06

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