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Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

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InnocentOrGuilty · 12/05/2024 09:48

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

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SerafinasGoose · 17/05/2024 09:02

To lighten the mood, I wonder did anyone ever see Derek Acorah's Michael Jackson seance? DH and I watched it at the time and were in convulsions. Bloody hilarious: just about the funniest unintentional humour ever!

If you missed this gem I can promise you, you've a treat in store. 😂

Tourmalines · 17/05/2024 09:31

SerafinasGoose · 17/05/2024 09:02

To lighten the mood, I wonder did anyone ever see Derek Acorah's Michael Jackson seance? DH and I watched it at the time and were in convulsions. Bloody hilarious: just about the funniest unintentional humour ever!

If you missed this gem I can promise you, you've a treat in store. 😂

Bahahaha , just watched a bit . 🤣 Oh yes , he also had a way of pulling the wool over peoples eyes ! Just like wacko jacko . Good to see he was discovered to be a fraud.

ChishiyaBat · 17/05/2024 11:25

SLIGEACHEIRE · 17/05/2024 00:24

This post says a lot, about you, and how you're stretching. You keep using antagonistic language all the time, when there's no credible evidence and he was cleared by a court of law on more than a dozen charges, investigated by the FBI for over decade and found nothing. By numerous state institutions and child services, all of whom found no evidence.

It's like the BS myth that Jordy Chandler accurately described Michael's private parts. Had that happened, he would have been arrested on the spot and history would have been rewritten. History wasn't rewritten though because it never happened.

It's the same with the bogus prosecution files about books and magazines. If Michael was in possession of ch1ld p0®N he would have been arrested on the spot, it would have been it's own separate charge sheet. It never happened, the police themselves said, “the search warrant didn’t result in anything that would support a criminal filing”.

Oh ya, and back to you. It shows how you're stretching and asking me to imagine a scenario where Michael is guilty, because you want him to be guilty. And you want me to indulge in some sick fantasy that you have that Michael is guilty.

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We can use what ever language we want to convey how we feel!

Just saying I doubt anyone was looking into it too hard cuz money.

Like I told you before the innocent verdict means nothing. The victims regardless of whether they were physically sexually molested(I still think he did though), were still victims, groomed and used by that filthy nonce!

It is not a sick fantasy to believe that he is guilty. We didn't pluck that conclusion from thin air, we watched him over many years groom multiple little boys live on tv and in the media, we followed the news and made up our own mind what we thought was true. My opinion is that he abused those boys, groomed them and then dumped them when they didn't fit his idea of attractive. If that is not a filthy nonce I don't know what is!

To use my one of favourite quotes:
I am not a cowgirl but I know horseshit when I smell it!

ChishiyaBat · 17/05/2024 11:31

SLIGEACHEIRE · 17/05/2024 01:14

You mean his Dad? Someone he has no relation or ties to, or possible future inheritance? His family were sued for $1 million. James the loser, is going nowhere in life, sees broke James on TV less than a year later making accusations and thinks let's try to board that gravy train.

** Warning: "Gravy train" doesn't exist and has been completely fabricated by delusional, greedy, broke James.

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The way you talk about victims is absolutely disgusting! Little boys who were groomed as children who are now as adults still affected by what they experienced have to live with what happened to them and you just paint them out to be lying psychopathic gold diggers it makes me sick!

SerafinasGoose · 17/05/2024 11:50

ChishiyaBat · 17/05/2024 11:31

The way you talk about victims is absolutely disgusting! Little boys who were groomed as children who are now as adults still affected by what they experienced have to live with what happened to them and you just paint them out to be lying psychopathic gold diggers it makes me sick!

This kind of attitude is the reason why victims so often don't speak up. People will go to any lengths necessary to cast blame on them; their parents; the stalking victim who 'encouraged' the offender; the rape victim who wore a short skirt. Anything not to direct blame where it really belongs: with the overwhelming majority of MALE perpetrators.

The reponses to #MeToo were telling. The number of victims telling their stories wasn't to be wondered at: the immediate backlash telling them to maintain their silence or stop 'jumping on the bandwagon (ie rugsweep their experiences and protect the abusers) is what was so depressing. But it was, unfortunately, predictable. Why? Everyone is to blame bar the male sex offenders. Our society is set up to protect the sexual proclivities of men. And when those men happen to be famous entertainers, eminent politicians, or in professions commanding respect or authority (cf. the abuse of position within the priesthood and the Met police), they are pretty much untouchable.

Incidentally, my sympathies, empathy (and anger toward their abusers) go to every member of this site who have bravely shared their experiences of CSA above. The way in which these people have been spoken to on this thread is nothing short of utterly fucking repugnant.

This site is lately full of MRAs, abuse apologists, would-be eroders of child safeguarding boundaries and victim discreditors.

We see you. And the view isn't pretty.

Mirabai · 17/05/2024 12:21

It should also be noted that even Reddit does not allow the kinds of posts about MJ’s victims @SLIGEACHEIRE has been making.

SerafinasGoose · 17/05/2024 13:06

Mirabai · 17/05/2024 12:21

It should also be noted that even Reddit does not allow the kinds of posts about MJ’s victims @SLIGEACHEIRE has been making.

Even Reddit? Kinell.

That a notoriously noxious cesspit of a site as opposed to MN - which is capable at least superficially of some intelligence and nuance - has more exacting standards on this topic than we do should give us all pause for thought.

Incidentally, the automatic assumption above that a former CSA victim has 'issues' which must in turn be colouring their judgement on any related subject is about as low as I've ever seen any member of this site stoop.

And that bar is already at sub-ground level.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 17/05/2024 13:42

Also, telling a csa survivor that ‘you have issues’ tells you all you need to know about the kind of revolting individuals who defend predators like Jackson.

Scorchio84 · 17/05/2024 14:36

Beefcurtains79 · 17/05/2024 06:40

Can you answer why it is only Michael who has been accused so many times of being a paedophile, rather than Prince, for example?

Wait what??? Why would you bring Prince into this?

ChishiyaBat · 17/05/2024 14:48

SerafinasGoose · 17/05/2024 11:50

This kind of attitude is the reason why victims so often don't speak up. People will go to any lengths necessary to cast blame on them; their parents; the stalking victim who 'encouraged' the offender; the rape victim who wore a short skirt. Anything not to direct blame where it really belongs: with the overwhelming majority of MALE perpetrators.

The reponses to #MeToo were telling. The number of victims telling their stories wasn't to be wondered at: the immediate backlash telling them to maintain their silence or stop 'jumping on the bandwagon (ie rugsweep their experiences and protect the abusers) is what was so depressing. But it was, unfortunately, predictable. Why? Everyone is to blame bar the male sex offenders. Our society is set up to protect the sexual proclivities of men. And when those men happen to be famous entertainers, eminent politicians, or in professions commanding respect or authority (cf. the abuse of position within the priesthood and the Met police), they are pretty much untouchable.

Incidentally, my sympathies, empathy (and anger toward their abusers) go to every member of this site who have bravely shared their experiences of CSA above. The way in which these people have been spoken to on this thread is nothing short of utterly fucking repugnant.

This site is lately full of MRAs, abuse apologists, would-be eroders of child safeguarding boundaries and victim discreditors.

We see you. And the view isn't pretty.

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That is a great post. I absolutely agree with everything you say!

Tourmalines · 17/05/2024 20:33

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 17/05/2024 13:42

Also, telling a csa survivor that ‘you have issues’ tells you all you need to know about the kind of revolting individuals who defend predators like Jackson.

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Yep, disgusting individual indeed .

YaMuvva · 17/05/2024 22:08

I missed @SLIGEACHEIRE post before it was deleted. Probably not a bad thing I’m guessing?

ChishiyaBat · 17/05/2024 22:21

It was more victim bashing and nonce sympathising if I remember rightly @YaMuvva

Carly944 · 18/05/2024 15:27

I just read where some man wrote that he was very concerned about james Safechuck, when he was on MJ's tour.

He said that they saw James safechuck go into the room with jackson. Then they said james safechuck never came out of the room for days, and that Jackson hung something over the windows so no one could see in.

He said he sent a note to james safechuck saying "are you being held against your will, if you need help, I'm here to help".

Which was interesting.

x2boys · 18/05/2024 15:32

Carly944 · 18/05/2024 15:27

I just read where some man wrote that he was very concerned about james Safechuck, when he was on MJ's tour.

He said that they saw James safechuck go into the room with jackson. Then they said james safechuck never came out of the room for days, and that Jackson hung something over the windows so no one could see in.

He said he sent a note to james safechuck saying "are you being held against your will, if you need help, I'm here to help".

Which was interesting.

Awful ,he ( MJ) wwa allowed to do whatever he wanted it seems.

ChishiyaBat · 18/05/2024 15:38

x2boys · 18/05/2024 15:32

Awful ,he ( MJ) wwa allowed to do whatever he wanted it seems.

That's money and power for you. Then you have all the superfans defending his fucked up nonce behaviour!

@Carly944 can you link me to what you read please, i'd like to read it.

LeavesOnTrees · 20/05/2024 22:14

Guilty.
The MJ defenders are at least demonstrating why victims have such difficulties in coming forward.

I remember the Bashir interview and the backlash in the news afterwards as MJ had talked about sleepovers with children.
I was young and didn't really realise but it felt very off even then.
The Leaving Neverland documentary confirmed it for me.

Blahdeblah12345 · 20/05/2024 22:28

Guilty. I don't know how anyone could watch that leaving Neverland documentary and claim those men are liars. What happened to them was written all over their faces and their body language when they were describing it. I don't think they are that good at acting.

Jacesmum1977 · 29/05/2024 09:24

InnocentOrGuilty · 12/05/2024 09:48

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

I.

I don’t think he was guilty of abuse.
I think it’s wrong that a child should sleep in the same bed as an adult.
The parents were at fault here.
As much as I love(d) MJ, would I heck allow my kids to sleep with him; not because I think he’s a predator but because why would you let your child sleep with an adult stranger? The ‘victims’ parents are mostly at fault for allowing their child to be in that situation.

Mirabai · 29/05/2024 09:55

Jacesmum1977 · 29/05/2024 09:24

I.

I don’t think he was guilty of abuse.
I think it’s wrong that a child should sleep in the same bed as an adult.
The parents were at fault here.
As much as I love(d) MJ, would I heck allow my kids to sleep with him; not because I think he’s a predator but because why would you let your child sleep with an adult stranger? The ‘victims’ parents are mostly at fault for allowing their child to be in that situation.

If you accept that an adult man was in bed with kids when he shouldn’t have been, why do you believe abuse did not happen when some of the kids he was in bed with say it did?

If your kids came to you and said they were abused by an adult they shared a bed with would you not believe them?

Jacesmum1977 · 29/05/2024 13:36

Mirabai · 29/05/2024 09:55

If you accept that an adult man was in bed with kids when he shouldn’t have been, why do you believe abuse did not happen when some of the kids he was in bed with say it did?

If your kids came to you and said they were abused by an adult they shared a bed with would you not believe them?

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I get what you’re saying however my children would never have been put in that position in the first place.
What parent in their right mind would allow their child to stay with a stranger because whilst he was famous, technically he is still a stranger?

I accept that an adult man should not be in bed with kids however there are people in this world that would do anything for a buck. Lie. Even putting their own children at risk.

Lies can be told and they can go too far.

He was found not guilty of all charges.

I do not believe he did the things that he was accused of.

Blahdeblah12345 · 29/05/2024 13:51

You should really look into all the evidence, which overwhelmingly points to the fact that he was a child abuser. You have to wilfully ignore so many red flags to think he was innocent. Why did he only have these intense friendships with boys of a certain age for one? They were all dropped once they starting getting older. This in itself is abusive, to make these kids feel special, tell them they're family etc and then just replace them.

He groomed and manipulated the parents too. He had a crying fit when at first the mother of one of the kids wouldn't let her son sleep with him. "Don't you trust me" etc etc. Eventually she relented. He then came over to their house and shared a bed with the boy for months on end. This is not normal behaviour. Its the behaviour of a manipulative pedophile obsessed with having access to victims. Why did he keep on having his special boy friends in his bed even after being accused? He wasn't stupid, or a "child in a man's body", he was a savvy businessman fgs. He couldn't help himself because he was a pedophile

x2boys · 29/05/2024 15:30

Jacesmum1977 · 29/05/2024 13:36

I get what you’re saying however my children would never have been put in that position in the first place.
What parent in their right mind would allow their child to stay with a stranger because whilst he was famous, technically he is still a stranger?

I accept that an adult man should not be in bed with kids however there are people in this world that would do anything for a buck. Lie. Even putting their own children at risk.

Lies can be told and they can go too far.

He was found not guilty of all charges.

I do not believe he did the things that he was accused of.

Do you think he would have been found not guilty if he wasent a world fsmous popstar who paid millions, to make it all go away ?
He openly admitted that sleeping with children was a beautiful thing
Why would a grown man want to do that and admit it publicly
One thing I agree with though ,the children,s parents also need to shoulder some of the blame
Who in their right mind would allow their very young son to stay with that weirdo for long. periods of time .

Mirabai · 29/05/2024 15:37

What parent in their right mind would allow their child to stay with a stranger because whilst he was famous, technically he is still a stranger?

And why would they not allow that? Because what adult man would want to share their bed with a child???

You’ve dodged the question. Let’s say your kids went for a sleepover at a friend’s house. Turned out that your children shared a bed with a young adult male relative of the couple and were abused by him.

If they told you they had been abused by him would you believe them?

YaMuvva · 29/05/2024 15:57

Jacesmum1977 · 29/05/2024 09:24

I.

I don’t think he was guilty of abuse.
I think it’s wrong that a child should sleep in the same bed as an adult.
The parents were at fault here.
As much as I love(d) MJ, would I heck allow my kids to sleep with him; not because I think he’s a predator but because why would you let your child sleep with an adult stranger? The ‘victims’ parents are mostly at fault for allowing their child to be in that situation.

That doesn’t make any sense.

If he’s innocent then why are the parents at fault? They didn’t put their kids in a dangerous situation afterall if he’s innocent, right?

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