Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty?

[InnocentOrGuilty]

Of the sexual abuse of boys.
I'm interested in a poll.
G = you think he was definitely guilty
I = you think he was innocent
(Stemming from a debate with DH last night!)

To lighten the mood, I wonder did anyone ever see Derek Acorah's Michael Jackson seance? DH and I watched it at the time and were in convulsions. Bloody hilarious: just about the funniest unintentional humour ever!

If you missed this gem I can promise you, you've a treat in store. 😂

Bahahaha , just watched a bit . 🤣 Oh yes , he also had a way of pulling the wool over peoples eyes ! Just like wacko jacko . Good to see he was discovered to be a fraud.

We can use what ever language we want to convey how we feel!

Just saying I doubt anyone was looking into it too hard cuz money.

Like I told you before the innocent verdict means nothing. The victims regardless of whether they were physically sexually molested(I still think he did though), were still victims, groomed and used by that filthy nonce!

It is not a sick fantasy to believe that he is guilty. We didn't pluck that conclusion from thin air, we watched him over many years groom multiple little boys live on tv and in the media, we followed the news and made up our own mind what we thought was true. My opinion is that he abused those boys, groomed them and then dumped them when they didn't fit his idea of attractive. If that is not a filthy nonce I don't know what is!

To use my one of favourite quotes:
I am not a cowgirl but I know horseshit when I smell it!

The way you talk about victims is absolutely disgusting! Little boys who were groomed as children who are now as adults still affected by what they experienced have to live with what happened to them and you just paint them out to be lying psychopathic gold diggers it makes me sick!

This kind of attitude is the reason why victims so often don't speak up. People will go to any lengths necessary to cast blame on them; their parents; the stalking victim who 'encouraged' the offender; the rape victim who wore a short skirt. Anything not to direct blame where it really belongs: with the overwhelming majority of MALE perpetrators.

The reponses to #MeToo were telling. The number of victims telling their stories wasn't to be wondered at: the immediate backlash telling them to maintain their silence or stop 'jumping on the bandwagon (ie rugsweep their experiences and protect the abusers) is what was so depressing. But it was, unfortunately, predictable. Why? Everyone is to blame bar the male sex offenders. Our society is set up to protect the sexual proclivities of men. And when those men happen to be famous entertainers, eminent politicians, or in professions commanding respect or authority (cf. the abuse of position within the priesthood and the Met police), they are pretty much untouchable.

Incidentally, my sympathies, empathy (and anger toward their abusers) go to every member of this site who have bravely shared their experiences of CSA above. The way in which these people have been spoken to on this thread is nothing short of utterly fucking repugnant.

This site is lately full of MRAs, abuse apologists, would-be eroders of child safeguarding boundaries and victim discreditors.

We see you. And the view isn't pretty.

It should also be noted that even Reddit does not allow the kinds of posts about MJ’s victims @SLIGEACHEIRE has been making.

Even Reddit? Kinell.

That a notoriously noxious cesspit of a site as opposed to MN - which is capable at least superficially of some intelligence and nuance - has more exacting standards on this topic than we do should give us all pause for thought.

Incidentally, the automatic assumption above that a former CSA victim has 'issues' which must in turn be colouring their judgement on any related subject is about as low as I've ever seen any member of this site stoop.

And that bar is already at sub-ground level.

Also, telling a csa survivor that ‘you have issues’ tells you all you need to know about the kind of revolting individuals who defend predators like Jackson.

Wait what??? Why would you bring Prince into this?

That is a great post. I absolutely agree with everything you say!

Yep, disgusting individual indeed .

I missed @SLIGEACHEIRE post before it was deleted. Probably not a bad thing I’m guessing?

It was more victim bashing and nonce sympathising if I remember rightly @YaMuvva

I just read where some man wrote that he was very concerned about james Safechuck, when he was on MJ's tour.

He said that they saw James safechuck go into the room with jackson. Then they said james safechuck never came out of the room for days, and that Jackson hung something over the windows so no one could see in.

He said he sent a note to james safechuck saying "are you being held against your will, if you need help, I'm here to help".

Which was interesting.

Awful ,he ( MJ) wwa allowed to do whatever he wanted it seems.

That's money and power for you. Then you have all the superfans defending his fucked up nonce behaviour!

@Carly944 can you link me to what you read please, i'd like to read it.

Guilty.
The MJ defenders are at least demonstrating why victims have such difficulties in coming forward.

I remember the Bashir interview and the backlash in the news afterwards as MJ had talked about sleepovers with children.
I was young and didn't really realise but it felt very off even then.
The Leaving Neverland documentary confirmed it for me.

Guilty. I don't know how anyone could watch that leaving Neverland documentary and claim those men are liars. What happened to them was written all over their faces and their body language when they were describing it. I don't think they are that good at acting.

I.

I don’t think he was guilty of abuse.
I think it’s wrong that a child should sleep in the same bed as an adult.
The parents were at fault here.
As much as I love(d) MJ, would I heck allow my kids to sleep with him; not because I think he’s a predator but because why would you let your child sleep with an adult stranger? The ‘victims’ parents are mostly at fault for allowing their child to be in that situation.

If you accept that an adult man was in bed with kids when he shouldn’t have been, why do you believe abuse did not happen when some of the kids he was in bed with say it did?

If your kids came to you and said they were abused by an adult they shared a bed with would you not believe them?

I get what you’re saying however my children would never have been put in that position in the first place.
What parent in their right mind would allow their child to stay with a stranger because whilst he was famous, technically he is still a stranger?

I accept that an adult man should not be in bed with kids however there are people in this world that would do anything for a buck. Lie. Even putting their own children at risk.

Lies can be told and they can go too far.

He was found not guilty of all charges.

I do not believe he did the things that he was accused of.

You should really look into all the evidence, which overwhelmingly points to the fact that he was a child abuser. You have to wilfully ignore so many red flags to think he was innocent. Why did he only have these intense friendships with boys of a certain age for one? They were all dropped once they starting getting older. This in itself is abusive, to make these kids feel special, tell them they're family etc and then just replace them.

He groomed and manipulated the parents too. He had a crying fit when at first the mother of one of the kids wouldn't let her son sleep with him. "Don't you trust me" etc etc. Eventually she relented. He then came over to their house and shared a bed with the boy for months on end. This is not normal behaviour. Its the behaviour of a manipulative pedophile obsessed with having access to victims. Why did he keep on having his special boy friends in his bed even after being accused? He wasn't stupid, or a "child in a man's body", he was a savvy businessman fgs. He couldn't help himself because he was a pedophile

Do you think he would have been found not guilty if he wasent a world fsmous popstar who paid millions, to make it all go away ?
He openly admitted that sleeping with children was a beautiful thing
Why would a grown man want to do that and admit it publicly
One thing I agree with though ,the children,s parents also need to shoulder some of the blame
Who in their right mind would allow their very young son to stay with that weirdo for long. periods of time .

What parent in their right mind would allow their child to stay with a stranger because whilst he was famous, technically he is still a stranger?

And why would they not allow that? Because what adult man would want to share their bed with a child???

You’ve dodged the question. Let’s say your kids went for a sleepover at a friend’s house. Turned out that your children shared a bed with a young adult male relative of the couple and were abused by him.

If they told you they had been abused by him would you believe them?

That doesn’t make any sense.

If he’s innocent then why are the parents at fault? They didn’t put their kids in a dangerous situation afterall if he’s innocent, right?