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Christian Horner Marque 2

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Geebray · 02/03/2024 14:50

See what I did there 😉

So, Geri's in Bahrain holding hands with him. And all we can think is "WE KNOW WHAT'S BEEN ON THAT FINGER!!!"

I always thought she'd do the "Fighting bravely through the tears" schtick.

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JJathome · 07/03/2024 17:03

I also think it’s very feasible someone has taken a real message chain and interspersed it with some fake messages, easily done, take photos, add a bubble over it with a different message, photo it again, you change the flow. We all know it’s disjointed.

on thinking about it, the only reasons I can see for him being cleared is false accusations, or the leak and bringing the company into disrepute. However the press are saying they suspension is a result of the investigations which was before the leak, so that would indicate false accusations.

Oblomov24 · 07/03/2024 17:05

Geri wants her gone? Dismissed from her job at RB on what grounds? Only lays the company open to s constructive dismissal claim surely?

JJathome · 07/03/2024 17:07

Oblomov24 · 07/03/2024 17:05

Geri wants her gone? Dismissed from her job at RB on what grounds? Only lays the company open to s constructive dismissal claim surely?

Yeah it will be iron clad. They won’t put a foot wrong here. Whatever she’s being suspended for, will,be nothing to do with Geri other than she’s collateral damage.

ColleenDonaghy · 07/03/2024 17:32

JJathome · 07/03/2024 17:07

Yeah it will be iron clad. They won’t put a foot wrong here. Whatever she’s being suspended for, will,be nothing to do with Geri other than she’s collateral damage.

BBC have said it's because she's dishonest. Perhaps she stole some pens out of the stationery cupboard to use at home.

Geebray · 07/03/2024 17:32

The investigation is not sub judice. Once Horner was cleared, and the messages were leaked, he or anyone on his side - or a deniable mouthpiece - could say that all/some of them were fake. But they have not.

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Crabble · 07/03/2024 17:44

I don’t know the detail of this any more than anyone else does, but the optics of this are terrible.

MovieMaven · 07/03/2024 17:48

Crabble · 07/03/2024 17:44

I don’t know the detail of this any more than anyone else does, but the optics of this are terrible.

True, but the memes and humour are priceless!! I just saw one on another forum that said "Red Bull gives you the weins"😂

JJathome · 07/03/2024 18:03

ColleenDonaghy · 07/03/2024 17:32

BBC have said it's because she's dishonest. Perhaps she stole some pens out of the stationery cupboard to use at home.

If they said dishonesty then that would indicate false accusations. As the suspension is a result of the investigation.

horner has simply said he can’t say anything due to confidentiality and out of respect for the other party and red bull.

it is starting to look like false accusations. And he’s acting as a director in not discussing it ie taking the company line.

JJathome · 07/03/2024 18:06

Crabble · 07/03/2024 17:44

I don’t know the detail of this any more than anyone else does, but the optics of this are terrible.

Agree it’s the fact it’s all been leaked. If this is false accusations , messages faked, ( as said, very easy to take a genuine and innocent chain , photo graph it, and add some different messages in and change it then photograph it again) then it would have been conducted in private as a grievance should have and nothing more.

CagneyAndLazy · 07/03/2024 18:41

I have it on good authority that this is the missing message which proves guilt...

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ChristianHornersGlisteningFinger · 07/03/2024 18:44

I kid you not, a child turned up at my son’s school today for World Book Day dressed head to toe as a Red Bull driver. I guess he was coming as a character from the PA’s soon-to-be-published book?!

Oblomov24 · 07/03/2024 18:45

"she's dishonest." Her? Not him? Of all the things to try and sack someone for, after all this, that's just laughable right?

Inkanta · 07/03/2024 18:46

If they said dishonesty then that would indicate false accusations

I don't believe a word Red Bull have to say - they have their own agenda. Understandably Geri wants rid of the PA - because she had an affair with Christian Horner. He should be the one to go.

NarrowGate · 07/03/2024 18:46

If she’s been suspended on full pay as reported, it’s a holding pattern, possibly because there’s going to be another investigation.

If she was dishonest, as some MNers with clearly FA in the way of HR knowledge are claiming here, she’d have been fired, and her only recourse would be a tribunal.

AliceA2021 · 07/03/2024 18:54

CagneyAndLazy · 07/03/2024 18:41

I have it on good authority that this is the missing message which proves guilt...

He's said today at a press conference that he just wants to move on. 🙄 I bet he does, sweep under the carpet, PA gone, until he can try to get his pencil dick into the next person. Who'd want to be married to him.

Inkanta · 07/03/2024 18:55

I think Christian Horner is deluded if thinks this is going to go away and he can just "draw a line under it" now she's suspended.

Helleboress · 07/03/2024 19:47

They certainly put him through his paces on the press conference

JJathome · 07/03/2024 20:39

There is no way they are getting rid without absolute cast iron evidence of wrong doing. They’d be in court in a hot minute and the cost to them both financially and reputation would be enormous. Absolutely if they are going for termination then they have a cast iron case.

suspended is very common in thr lead up to termination, there is likely background noise, ie she will be seeking furher legal advice, possibly negotiating to say she resigned,

this is a confidential situation , every grievance is, red bull won’t talk, because of the legal implications of doing so. And that includes Horner as a director. Thsts why they have been silent since the get go and only commented when forced on the leaks.

Thid is not what it looks like, the only thing we can take to the bank is if they act then it’s iron clad. Evidenced.

Picpac876 · 07/03/2024 20:49

Just seeing more on BBC News. Now also reporting that another reason given for the suspension was inconsistencies in the evidence provided during the investigation.

JJathome · 07/03/2024 20:56

She got a legal,letter on Monday and has 5 days to appeal. Rumours coming out of dishonesty and inconsistencies

dandeliondandy · 07/03/2024 21:00

Inkanta · 07/03/2024 18:55

I think Christian Horner is deluded if thinks this is going to go away and he can just "draw a line under it" now she's suspended.

He is a marked man. The glistening finger points eternally at his two-timing, sleazy and frankly crap banter. He's guilty alright but his ego is so massive that I doubt he gives a toss about PA or his wife!

RedRum27 · 08/03/2024 04:11

Is there a reason why he wasn’t suspended during the initial investigation? He was involved directly so why was he allowed to continue in his role whilst the investigation took place?

JJathome · 08/03/2024 06:40

RedRum27 · 08/03/2024 04:11

Is there a reason why he wasn’t suspended during the initial investigation? He was involved directly so why was he allowed to continue in his role whilst the investigation took place?

Clearly there is much more to this than the public knows.

if we simply take what we know.

horner said this was a grievance raised by an angry employee who wanted promotion and didn’t get it.
redbull followed process, due to his position they hired Deloitte and a legal team to carry out the investigation independently.
no one knows if there was disciplinary against the woman at the same time.
redbull and Horner continued to follow process and maintained confidentiality as they need to with any form of grievance in a workplace setting.
someone leaked it was about coercive control.
someone leaked it was sexual harrassment.
someone leaked an Avalanche of messages, in an extreme way, sending to 149 people.
horner and redbull stated they would not comment on these messages.
it is unlikely these messages or leaks came from Horner, red bull, Deloitte or the lawyers.
as such ultimately they can only have come from the woman.
we do not know if the messages are genuine. People are simply assuming. It is feasible they are faked. As in take some genuine messages and easily supplement and change. We all know the chain is disjointed.
hornee was cleared by the lawyers and Deloitte.
the woman has been suspended following the investigation, for dishonesty and inconsistency in the investigation.
shes 5 days to appeal
even though this grievance is in place, and the massive leaks and attacks on Horner, she still asked if she could go to Bahrain with him to support the team, incredibly odd behaviour due to the high profile and sensitivity at the time.

so no one knows other than Horner, the woman, red bull, Deloitte and the lawyers what the real story is here, but we can be sure of some things.

red bull would not suspend of move to terminate if there was even one iota of chance she could win any form of legal action.
it will be 100 percent iron clad and evidenced, no chances will be taken.
red bull and Horner as director, have acted throughout as employers handling an employee grievance and disciplinary. Only commenting when forced and even then in brief.

as such, we don’t know if these accusations were genuine, or if they were false, inc the messages, and from a disgruntled employee.

we can then only draw our own conclusions, which is this is overwhelmingly likely to be false accusations from a disgruntled employee as otherwise red bull would not be acting on the advice of Deloitte and external legal to suspend and potentially move to termination.

false allegations happen. They are rare, but they happen. And it would be foolish of anyone to assume the allegations against Horner are true. I myself did it, but the actions of red bull when it needs to be water tight, indicate we may all have been mistaken.

and if that’s the case, then Horner and his family have just been to hell and back for nothing,

Blackhorse32 · 08/03/2024 07:01

RedRum27 · 08/03/2024 04:11

Is there a reason why he wasn’t suspended during the initial investigation? He was involved directly so why was he allowed to continue in his role whilst the investigation took place?

Suspension should only be used as a last resort. Normally in cases where there is potential gross misconduct or that they could interfere with the investigation or cause damage to staff or the business. In this case any risk probably could be managed by them not working together.

spottedinthewilds · 08/03/2024 07:04

I definitely think that everyone is hanging both him and Geri out to dry without really knowing the facts.

I'm sure more will become clear soon, or maybe not.

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