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Christian Horner Marque 2

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Geebray · 02/03/2024 14:50

See what I did there 😉

So, Geri's in Bahrain holding hands with him. And all we can think is "WE KNOW WHAT'S BEEN ON THAT FINGER!!!"

I always thought she'd do the "Fighting bravely through the tears" schtick.

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TheDowagerDoughnut · 04/03/2024 10:03

@mellybelly1 - they've already been linked on this thread by a pp

AliceA2021 · 04/03/2024 10:06

mellybelly1 · 04/03/2024 10:00

PLEASE someone post the link to the leaked texts. I know everyone is saying its all over reddit and tiktok etc but all I find are messages about cocoa pops and if they slept ok

The message links are posted on this thread several times, scroll back.up

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 10:59

mellybelly1 · 04/03/2024 09:54

She didn't go to Bahrain though did she?

Would you?!?!?!?! They say she is still working at HQ so who knows. Unless someone on here works at RB it's all rumours anyway.

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 11:01

DiamondGazette · 04/03/2024 09:59

I wonder how much financial compensation the PA has received, assuming she is now unemployed? Would Christian Horner have paid her to keep quiet?

She allegedly turned down a pay off of 650k before so I don't think she will take the money unless they upped it to a number she thought was acceptable.

If they fired her and not CH they are on a sticky wicket legally speaking so who knows. They say she is still working at HQ.

ChristianHornersGlisteningFinger · 04/03/2024 11:03

mellybelly1 · 04/03/2024 10:00

PLEASE someone post the link to the leaked texts. I know everyone is saying its all over reddit and tiktok etc but all I find are messages about cocoa pops and if they slept ok

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1OlV2wb51s1WhjLFq0Lsp4inRU60qvdhY?pli=1

I am not impressed at your inability to RTFT but anyway…

File Drop – Google Drive

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1OlV2wb51s1WhjLFq0Lsp4inRU60qvdhY?pli=1

JJathome · 04/03/2024 11:12

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 11:01

She allegedly turned down a pay off of 650k before so I don't think she will take the money unless they upped it to a number she thought was acceptable.

If they fired her and not CH they are on a sticky wicket legally speaking so who knows. They say she is still working at HQ.

Yes, I read that too, and red bull have confirmed she still works for them, albeit home based, and she no longer travels.

the issue I think is they cannot work together. It’s completely untenable. She simply can’t be his pa, and they also can’t fire her, as they themselves said, there are no grounds. If she leaves no other team will take her.

its an impossible situation as they are both clinging on to their jobs. 650 k is a lot of money for a Pa, possibly up to ten years salary,, maybe more.

the other thing is what other job at red bull can she do, she can’t be public facing , she’s clearly not technical, no one else will want to inherit her as their Pa, and if he’s replaced, his successor won’t want her either.

i think the only option is how much money does she wish, is there an amount, to go. But even finding another role will be difficult, as soon as folks see her role as exec Pa in red bull on her cv, they will recognise who it is, some will get her in for interview to have a look, others will job offer as they think she’s game for shagging the boss, and others won’t touch her as she’d be seen as trouble.

he’s in the same boat, he won’t be taken on by any other f1 team as principle, he’d have to go down the ranks, ie f3, but he’s 50 and never has to work again.

the pair of them are literally fucked.

puddlehopper · 04/03/2024 11:21

Wow, didn't realise she was offered that much in a pay off, thats a nice exit package. Wonder if she could possibly make more if she sold the details to a few media outlets.

LoreleiG · 04/03/2024 11:28

I am not sure, I think CH would probably get another top job eventually.

mellybelly1 · 04/03/2024 11:29

AliceA2021 · 04/03/2024 10:06

The message links are posted on this thread several times, scroll back.up

Found them thank you. Curiosity satisfied now

DiamondGazette · 04/03/2024 12:32

650k as compensation for shagging Christian Horner? She deserves every penny especially if that leaked pic is his willy 😂😂😂

WouldURatherWinkieOrFinger · 04/03/2024 13:40

puddlehopper · 04/03/2024 11:21

Wow, didn't realise she was offered that much in a pay off, thats a nice exit package. Wonder if she could possibly make more if she sold the details to a few media outlets.

No, that’s what CH allegedly offered her to not make the complaint in the first place (so if it is true, it’s what she turned down).

martinisforeveryone · 04/03/2024 14:08

I read the same, £650,000 allegedly offered to the PA from CH's personal money, in order to drop the whole thing and not make a complaint. The story went that she refused it and went ahead. We do know she went ahead with a complaint, the private 'hush money' as you might call it, is unsubstantiated. I think I read it in the DM headlines, but I don't think they backed that up with any source.

I wonder what the PA thinks is the most acceptable and best outcome for her?

I made other comments about the Horners on another thread here.
To think Christian Horner is a smug dick?! | Mumsnet
I thought the thread title was very apt given the appearance at the weekend's race.

Page 3 | To think Christian Horner is a smug dick?! | Mumsnet

Urgh just look at this photo on DM today....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5020172-to-think-christian-horner-is-a-smug-dick?reply=133470270

mydogisthebest · 04/03/2024 14:33

I haven't read the article but The Mail has as their headline "Fresh woe for Christian Horner as new allegations are published in 19 page investigation".

Oh what a shame, could not happen to a nicer man! So so hope he loses his job

CagneyAndLazy · 04/03/2024 14:47

DiamondGazette · 04/03/2024 12:32

650k as compensation for shagging Christian Horner? She deserves every penny especially if that leaked pic is his willy 😂😂😂

I don't think there's any suggestion of that, is there?

Perhaps quite the opposite; it's what he wanted and she'd been rebuffing his advances.

Gilles27 · 04/03/2024 14:53

This was on Autosport:

Could Red Bull civil war really trigger shock Verstappen F1 switch to Mercedes?
Despite it being the only story in town in Formula 1 right now, very few people know what's really going on behind the scenes with Christian Horner at Red Bull.
Jonathan Noble Mar 3, 2024, 3:14 PM
Updated: Mar 3, 2024, 3:42 PM

One thing is sure though: this saga is far from over, and the ultimate end game may not become clear for quite some time yet.

Ever since the controversy first blew up last month, there had been speculation that this stretched far beyond being an internal matter involving Horner and a female employee.

From the off, there was talk of this being a wider power play that involved some of the key management pillars within the Red Bull organisation.

After all, the entire thing had gone public only after the Austrian Red Bull energy drinks company had uncharacteristically put an official statement out.

For a brand widely known to have a policy of saying not one word more than it needs to when it comes to press statements, blowing the thing out into the open offered food for thought about there being more to this than meets the eye.

As the saga developed, word spread that this had morphed into something far wider and was now a battle for control and influence between the Austrian side of the Red Bull company and its Thai majority owner Chalerm Yoovidhya.

Somewhere in the middle of all of this was Red Bull motorsport advisor Helmut Marko and the Verstappen camp of Max and Jos, who each had their own opinions about what they felt should happen.

Plus, we had to throw into the mix the influence of Red Bull's major corporate partners like Ford and Oracle, although it is hard to work out which side of the fence they were sitting on.

On one hand, some have claimed there was boardroom angst over the companies potentially getting tarnished by the ties to the mess at Red Bull. However, others have suggested that their biggest concern was actually potentially losing Horner, whose influence and appeal to the wider world were key factors in driving them to get involved in the first place.

A takedown campaign
For a few short hours after Wednesday's announcement by Red Bull that Horner had been cleared by an independent investigation, it seemed that things would settle down as attention would quickly shift back to the fortunes of the team's RB20 on track.

But this idea was blown out of the water halfway through second practice on Thursday evening when two anonymous emails were sent to senior F1 personnel – including FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem, F1 CEO Stefano Domenicali, team principals and media.

In the emails was a tranche of WhatsApp messages and images that were alleged to be central to the investigation.

Although the veracity of the dossier has not been confirmed - and there have been rumours that a second document release is on its way - the real significance is that it shows there are now individuals deliberately manoeuvring to take Horner down.

The real question though is, who and why?

Those involved have to have close ties to the Red Bull organisation and team – either professionally or personally – to have had access to evidence that it is understood was handed to investigators for analysis.

A lot of paddock gossip has surrounded Jos Verstappen, who is known not to have always seen eye-to-eye with Horner over various things that have happened since Max joined the Red Bull organisation.

His dramatic comments on Saturday night, made to The Daily Mail, certainly leave us in no doubt that he falls into the camp that wants Horner out.

"There's tension here while he remains in position," said the Dutchman. "The team is in danger of being torn apart. It can't go on the way it is. It will explode. He is playing the victim, when he is the one causing the problems."

But there is a world of difference between wanting something to happen and being a perpetrator to make it happen.

And Verstappen has been at pains to rubbish the idea that he has been behind a smear campaign or the email drops.

"That wouldn't make sense," he added. "Why would I do that when Max is doing so well here?"

Opportunity calls

Whether he is a passenger or driver in all that is happening cannot be confirmed right now. However, the events are putting Verstappen Sr in a position to capitalise on there potentially being a change at the top of Red Bull.

And, amid the crisis within the world champion squad, it has also opened up – in the Piranha Club that is F1 – opportunities for others to gain too.

Perhaps one of the more interesting theories being bandied about is that what is going on at Red Bull involves a real big-picture play surrounding senior staff contracts and Red Bull's own long-term future in F1.

It is widely accepted that Horner's presence in Red Bull has been a critical element in giving many senior staff at the team a sense of security.

Indeed, it is understood that a number of top personnel – including chief technology officer Adrian Newey – have clauses in their contracts that allow them to leave if Horner is gone.

It would not be a surprise that such a clause exists in Verstappen's deal too, which locks him down to the team until 2028.

So, if somehow there was a desire for individuals to get out of the current deal - either to renegotiate terms or go elsewhere - then a Horner exit could open the door on it.

From Verstappen's perspective, being a free agent could allow him to agree on a fresh contract on more favourable terms – be it for more money (as he is a much bigger superstar than when he first signed up), better marketing rights, or more flexibility.

Or there could even be the prospect of a move elsewhere to forge a new path in his career. After all, Jos Verstappen's comments make it now almost untenable that his son and Horner can both continue without something changing.

In the background, there could certainly be grounds to think the grass may be greener elsewhere long term.

What if, as F1 heads to new engine rules in 2026, rumours are true that point to a change in the competitive order – and potentially Red Bull's power unit not delivering the kind of performance figures that other manufacturers are set to reach?

That could leave Verstappen helpless to avoid knowing that the current run of success he is enjoying could come to an abrupt end from 2026 - unless of course Horner is gone and he can jump ship.

Should Verstappen become a free agent, then there would be no shortage of rival teams interested in taking him – and the rumour mill has already pointed in one clear direction: Mercedes.

The German manufacturer had been interested in Verstappen when he was in the junior categories, but it lost out to Red Bull because it could not offer him a seat in F1 machinery at the time.

Seeing the Dutchman slip from Mercedes' grasp has long played on Mercedes boss Toto Wolff's mind, and is influencing his desire to not let junior Andrea Kimi Antonelli go.

As Wolff said recently about Red Bull grabbing Verstappen: "We lost the young driver, and you can see how successful he has become."

With Mercedes having a cockpit available for 2025, and it perhaps being too early for Antonelli, Mercedes would clearly jump at the chance of Verstappen.

He would be a superstar replacement for Lewis Hamilton; with the speed and global popularity that would act as a tremendous boost to the Mercedes brand.

Furthermore, if Mercedes could snatch one of Red Bull's biggest assets, it would help make itself stronger and its rival weaker: a double whammy.

It probably was not a coincidence that in the paddock, shortly after Red Bull had unleashed its dominant performance in the Bahrain Grand Prix, Jos Verstappen was spotted deep in conversation with Wolff.

It is understood not to have been the first chat they had over the Bahrain GP weekend. There were rumours of a dinner meeting on Friday night too, even if Wolff insists he is not hatching a plot to lure Verstappen on board.

Wanting a fast car

For now, the Horner situation is an unknown variable and whether or not he remains in place is hard to predict, especially if the campaign to discredit him gets more aggressive in the forthcoming days.

And no matter how defiant Horner is about staying in place, his fate will almost certainly be decided in the boardrooms of Red Bull and its corporate sponsors who will be paying a watching brief over all that is happening.

Wolff too is observing from the sidelines, and will not be blind to the possibility that circumstances could play out that hand him an unexpected gift.

But equally, he knows he has to get his own house in order because while Verstappen may be attractive to Mercedes, the desire to move there will not be so great if the squad's F1 car does not show better performance.

Wolff himself was asked on Saturday night in Bahrain if there was a chance that Verstappen could drive at Mercedes in 2025 – and he gave a carefully considered response.

"I think the driver will always choose the quickest car," he said. "That is fundamentally what it's all about. At the moment the Red Bull is the quickest car, so that will obviously be the priority."

Read into that answer what you will. But it was not a 'no'.

https://www.autosport.com/info/about-us/jonathan_noble/222159/

Gilles27 · 04/03/2024 14:54

I think the Autosport story makes sense if Max does have his contract linked to Horner's in the same way that Newey does. I can imagine Jos feeling aggrieved that Max is not the highest paid driver ever. He can't negotiate a higher wage or get Max into another team until the end of his current contract. If Horner leaves that allows Jos to toy with the idea of offering his boy to a different team, even if it's just a ploy to get more money from Red Bull. It's looking likely that Red Bull are going to struggle in the engine department from 2026 as Ford aren't sounding very wholehearted in their enthusiasm for the project.
I think we can safely assume that the WA msgs are real as Horner was asked that question at the weekend and he did not say they were fake. So, this is an embarrassing time for Horner, but as always you should follow the money, and that would suggest that this is a Verstappen vs Horner battle.

puddlehopper · 04/03/2024 16:36

mydogisthebest · 04/03/2024 14:33

I haven't read the article but The Mail has as their headline "Fresh woe for Christian Horner as new allegations are published in 19 page investigation".

Oh what a shame, could not happen to a nicer man! So so hope he loses his job

They refer to an investigation by a F1 magazine. The front page is a full size photo of the PA and CH. Apparently her name is confirmed in the report.

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 16:59

JJathome · 04/03/2024 16:52

BusinessF1 is a fucking hack of an online magazine though. They print so many lies and so much rubbish I really wouldn't believe what they print. The guy who runs it has been sued so many times.

They absolutely went for Suzy Wolffe for no reason that I can think of other than plain misogyny and spite.

JJathome · 04/03/2024 16:59

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 16:59

BusinessF1 is a fucking hack of an online magazine though. They print so many lies and so much rubbish I really wouldn't believe what they print. The guy who runs it has been sued so many times.

They absolutely went for Suzy Wolffe for no reason that I can think of other than plain misogyny and spite.

Yeah but they are hardly breaking new ground on this one are they,

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 17:01

JJathome · 04/03/2024 16:59

Yeah but they are hardly breaking new ground on this one are they,

No, but I think it's unfair that they have outed FH so publicly. There was no need for her photo like that. But I'm not surprised they have as I said before pure misogyny and spite.

JJathome · 04/03/2024 17:04

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 17:01

No, but I think it's unfair that they have outed FH so publicly. There was no need for her photo like that. But I'm not surprised they have as I said before pure misogyny and spite.

I don’t think I agree, firstly everyone knew who she was, and what she looked like. I certainly did. And she was clearly doing the dirty with her married boss. No protection warranted from me.

AiryFairy101 · 04/03/2024 19:11

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 10:59

Would you?!?!?!?! They say she is still working at HQ so who knows. Unless someone on here works at RB it's all rumours anyway.

She’d have needed the balls of a brass monkey to have turned up there…😂

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 04/03/2024 19:23

AiryFairy101 · 04/03/2024 19:11

She’d have needed the balls of a brass monkey to have turned up there…😂

Exactly. No one in their right mind (except Geri it would seem!) Would have turned up with the intense scrutiny that would be on them. Just crazy!

AiryFairy101 · 04/03/2024 19:44

PA’s position at RB is completely untenable. I’d be going on long term sick leave for stress, which I’m sure she’s doing….

She should have taken that money, but she could earn a lot for selling her story so I’m sure CH isn’t done with negotiating with her in order to gag her.