Ukraine Invasion: Part 25

[MagicFox]

Hi all, another thread for supporting and sharing

"See you" 😢😢😢

The video apparently was truncated and there's a bit more here. The presenter says some totally nutjob things about the Bidens and Romneys. That's an RT type mindset.

Thanks for your rational response to my wine-fuelled rant @Ijsbear :-)

Here's Jack Deutsch's summary of the US defence briefing on day 85 of the war: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1527324553902317568.html

This is a fascinating and detailed article. It demonstrates that they will able to identify a lot of war criminals.

New Evidence Shows How Russian Soldiers Executed Men in Bucha
Witness testimony and videos obtained by The New York Times show how Russian paratroopers executed at least eight Ukrainian men in a Kyiv suburb on March 4, a potential war crime.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/world/europe/russia-bucha-ukraine-executions.html

Can I join you under the rock?

This is something that has been happening for considerable time unfortunately.

You are just noticing.

It would be difficult but a small number of men hiding and then being extracted would be potentially possible. Dangerous. But might be possible. Unlike for over a thousand men.

https://theins.ru/en/news/251408

Mum can you come see me at school for a performance?
Oo the nativity?
No mum we are learning how to patriotically stand in the shape of a Z with a Russian flag

apnews.com/article/mariupol-medic-body-camera-036cf9f28180e9525760d68bddbe4ee4
Captive medic's bodycam shows firsthand horror of Mariupol.

Footage was smuggled out by the last journalists who left. In the article it explains how the footage shows her treating both Ukrainians and Russians.

She is now being held by the Russians.

Interesting. Not sure what to make of this statement:

"Russian Senator Alexei Pushkov says providing Russia with security guarantees would prevent a global energy and wheat crisis

Pushkov said that US sanctions overlooked the degree of globalization in the world economy"

twitter.com/samramani2/status/1527436991343869982?s=21&t=tq-T6PEB2WbrNkKOaVDR2A

Oh my gosh, I've just stupidly read a thread underneath this one and physically threw up! My heart hurts and I can't believe what I've just read. My faith in humanity is wearing really thin. This takes me back to my comments from the very first threads about regretting brining my children in to this world and I genuinely do! I love them with my whole heart but my god, this world is so cruel.

@katem98 - the post about the raping of children? Yes. I know.

Handhold. I don't know if I have any words of comfort but handhold. I feel the same and have for years. It is still possible to live with joy even knowing these things exist/happen.

Maybe do something that nourishes you? Please take care of yourself.

(I'm a mother to two and nana to three).

Oh @katem98 I know. I have terrible waves like this too. I'm sorry you saw that, it's fucking atrocious. I think, like RTB mentioned earlier, a lot of us are waking up to a world we didn't realise existed and it's not easy. We can never go back under our rocks now

Hope the hangover isn't too bad!

It's one of the really unpleasant parts of adulthood I think .. realising how peace and stability is actually pretty fragile. We've had so little war in Europe except for the former Yugoslavia. Admittedly that was dreadful. But it's an unpleasant realisation that no one can stop a Putin or a Stalin or a Hitler.

New thread:

Ukraine Invasion: Part 26 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4553050-ukraine-invasion-part-26

@heldinadream @MagicFox Thank you both. It's truly awful and I can't even comprehend it. I think I've genuinely been so naive with these sort of things happening and I just feel total shock! I think I've too been living under a rock for my whole lift it seems. It's all so senseless

Hand hold too. It upset me very badly last night and I need to remember not to get too drawn in. I've seen extreme cruelty to children in the UK and reading this makes me feel so .. tired. Inside.

That's exactly right @Ijsbear. I think now a lot of us (me included) need to learn to accommodate this realisation and figure out how to live with it and not freak out.

It's true, think about the Arthur and Star cases in the UK recently. That same sense of eye opening disbelief that this is what humanity is. There's something protective about being young (and maybe not having caring responsibilities) that somehow shelters you/makes you not see. And then it's a shock to find out what the world is really like. That what we thought was the horror of the past isn't the past but is very much our present.

Yes I agree @MagicFox I think it also heightens your fears when you become a mother. It's truly terrifying!

The post about finding Nazi paraphernalia in the Azovstal plant, all I would say is that the Ukrainians would have to be complete idiot's to take that into a bunker knowing that the chances of the Russians capturing it were reasonably high. The Ukrainians don't seem to be idiots

Yes, but most of humanity loves most of their children and there are many instances of extraordinary love and effort, some spectacular and some smaller, unseen, day by day efforts of endurance to give children stability, love and care. So many people work to repair the damage that is done to children. So many damaged people work to make sure their own children are given as good a background as possible. This isn't just comfortable thoughts; it happens, every day, all day. Mostly it's just invisible.

I think we are just capable of much more extremes that people come across in every day life, both the depths and often the heights.

sometimes you do just need someone to hold your hand a while though

You're right, it's easy to forget when reading so much horror that there is also love and resilience and the best of humanity to stand up against it

MMBaranova from what little I could bear to watch on the video, the Nazi paraphernalia in the so-called Azov HQ looks new(ly planted) and suspiciously similar to the sort in the Sims 3 Cards x 3 set up of the earlier Russian farce. As minsmum says, Azov would be deeply stupid to leave this evidence lying around knowing they would be prime targets for propaganda and capture.

I find it chilling the way the video was done like a piece of investigative journalism with that American bloke and lady who looked like she might be a academic. Ultimately it is Russian propaganda.