Ukraine Invasion: Part 25

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Hi all, another thread for supporting and sharing

Think I’ve come to the conclusion that in the event of nuclear war I can safely assume I will not be amongst the ‘lucky’ ones 😂😂 I have zero survival skills.

Fair enough! I am not one of those with anxiety myself so I will leave it to those of you who are to say what helps.

It might be worth remembering we headed back into discussing nuclear issues today not because people felt a need to raise anxiety levels but because somebody expressed concern about a sensationalist story in the MSM about nuclear weapons..

Frankly I don’t think it’s healthy or even sensible to think we can somehow sanitize this discussion and keep debate away from one of the highly highly unlikely but possible consequences of the current conflict..in fact IMHO it’s quite dangerous to try and do that.

Yeah I agree, that's well put @notimagain

Just heard from my Ukrainian friend from Kharkiv. Adjusting well to life in Denmark. She’s quite concerned as both she and her son are beginning to show signs of PTSD, which I guess it normal unfortunately. Her husband is still alive, if not totally safe, in Kharkiv.

@katem98 just to let you know that I informed MN that I can't read the images in your posts. The only way I could think of doing this was to report them and whinge.

Bloody upgrade: WTF did they bother?

Euromaidan said that rescue operations will begin in Azovstal but they were linking an article from two days ago. It's difficult to know what will happen. It's not like the Russians keep their word.

The newly recruited troops from the oblasts around Ukraine have started training

The Kyiv Independent
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⚡️ General Staff: Russia plans to send up to 2,500 reservists to Ukraine.

The new recruits are being trained at training grounds in Russia’s Voronezh, Belgorod, and Rostov oblasts, according to Ukraine’s General Staff.

Well that wasn't very helpful of me then @EdithStourton sorry! I'm unsure how to link specific BBC online posts without linking their whole live feed of updates! And 9/10 links don't work for me!

I don't think he would have threatened Niinistö over the phone in any case, they have a pretty civil relationship, meeting twice a year for the last 10 years so threatening in person wouldn't fit with that. But I do think he's realised all the threats haven't deterred Finland at all, only made us more determined to join NATO so no point escalating them.

The images didn't load for me either until I refreshed the page

If anyone can remember 1986, the Chernobyl disaster was first detected in Sweden. Nobody is going to set off a nuclear devise in Europe. The swirly weather patterns ensure that all countries are effected.
www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-03/chernobyls-radioactive-legacy-zombie-reactors-an-invisible-enemy/11432430

Some MSM wants us to be scared and capitulate to Russia. Maybe that is the problem we should be addressing.

Our own PM is as Corrupt as anything but reasonably unbribable. May people have paid him money but due to the Teflon coating, his response is likely to be..."but I thought Bob was my friend and wanted to pay for my wallpaper, well actually I thought Bob was a bit bonkers but you know...You meant he was trying to bribe me? Shock horror, I am much disappointed"

Images load for me but are so tiny on a laptop that I can't read them.

Sorry everyone, will copy and paste going forwards.

@Igotjelly · 15/05/2022 18:23

Just heard from my Ukrainian friend from Kharkiv. Adjusting well to life in Denmark. She’s quite concerned as both she and her son are beginning to show signs of PTSD, which I guess it normal unfortunately. Her husband is still alive, if not totally safe, in Kharkiv.

I am sure PTSD sets in just when a person feelssafer. What a terrible thing for them to live through, and they will be constantly worrying about her husband.

The dog of the guy who walked to safety is looking worse for wear.
I'm sure if the Guardian crowd funded for him he'd soon have enough to go to a vet and the balance could be donated to the Ukrainian cause.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/15/ukrainian-who-walked-140-miles-to-safety-fears-for-his-canine-companion?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Has everyone noted the shift in dialogue from Russia lost X amount of BTG to Putin lost X amount of BTG.
The off ramp squashes Putin.

I wonder if Russia will attack Finland and/or Sweden ….. before their NATO membership comes into place?

Just to flex their muscles knowing that NATO can’t respond yet?

They've joined de facto - they have security agreements from the UK. Finland, anyway

Maybe a cyber attack or continuing to punish with energy blocks to destabilise these countries.

Yes but the Finns are prepared for that

Boris only had to dash over to Scandinavia last week and sign the mutual defence agreements because he forgot that now we have left the EU the old agreements are void. In my household the joke was that the EU lawyers had drafted the treaties because we forgot to.
Finland and Sweden are safe, even without NATO

Haven't Finland and Sweden got assurances that they are covered by the NATO umbrella whilst the application goes through? And Bo Jo was over there signing a defence pact with them last week because we're no longer covered by the EU defence treaty.
Plus I'm hoping Russia are doing so badly in Ukraine they won't even consider attacking Sweden & Finland, I'm thinking the stopping of electricity was a nod to the 'retaliation' that was mooted by Lavrov.

Cross post.

I suspect any physical attack on Sweden or Finland will create a huge response that Putin isn't ready for - if he has any sanity left. But there are still people around him who might have!

I don't think Russia would dare.