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Janegrey333 · 11/10/2020 12:56

Seems to have shut up shop as from this morning.

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daisychain01 · 12/10/2020 18:19

Here, read my words again, instead of twisting them -

I just cannot believe the contradiction in calling yourself "monkey" , when that has to be, without a doubt, the most awful, derogatory thing to be said about a person of colour.

daisychain01 · 12/10/2020 18:22

Thank you @BaldricksCoffee I appreciate you actually reading my words, understanding their intent, and knowing my intentions were honourable.

I'll get the hell out of this thread, as I said before, I don't deal in lies.

daisychain01 · 12/10/2020 18:25

and yes, many others on the site did support my disgust, but that won't fit the narrative of Simon and their crew.

It's called confirmation bias, make a judgement then create the facts around it to support the narrative rather than actually dealing in the truth.

WorraLiberty · 12/10/2020 18:29

SimonJT.......

Daisy said black posters couldn’t have the word monkey in their username because they are monkeys. Available to view on the Justine thread. Like by birdfeeder, crap bag, lilylangtry and five others (jus a screenshot so I can’t click to see who those five others are)

Could you at least point out where daisychain01 said "Black people are monkeys"?

Because if you cant, that's a very serious allegation to make.

EchoCardioGran · 12/10/2020 18:31

No, don't twist my words.
There is nasty racist and bullying stuff on there of whiote and black people and I'm trying to see for myself who said what.

Bullying of people because of their grammar. I've noted what I think is a misunderstanding out of all the shit on there.

The list Simon made is correct, the people on that list liked or applauded or posted racist bulling hurtful remarks.

Horrible people playing naive others for their own ends. Which one were you?
That thread was appalling and nasty and some people on here were naive and stupid in liking racist crap and played like fools because they had an upset with MNHQ. Others were just racists and bullies for their own agenda.

EchoCardioGran · 12/10/2020 18:31

white. my spelling has gone now

daisychain01 · 12/10/2020 18:37

Apologies @EchoCardioGran just to clarify I wasn't suggesting you were twisting my words.

Anyway I've said my piece and I'll nip off now.

Time4chocolate · 12/10/2020 18:43

Wasn't going to post anything on here but couldn't sit on my hands on this particular aspect:

Daisy says:
I just cannot believe the contradiction in calling yourself "monkey" , when that has to be, without a doubt, the most awful, derogatory thing to be said about a person of colour. I need to step away otherwise I will explode. ?

SimonJT says:
Daisy said black posters couldn’t have the word monkey in their username because they are monkeys.

That is clearly not what was said and I think Daisy is owed an apology from JTSimon unless of course there is something else going on (which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest)

I'm all for calling out racist behaviour/comments but that is not it 😡

DotForShort · 12/10/2020 18:49

I just looked at two random pages on that long thread about Justine and MN. There was so much racism on those pages, in almost every post. And they were randomly chosen.

In addition, the whole tone was so unpleasant, just post after post of sheer nastiness and mean-spiritedness. FFS, they have given MNers unkind nicknames, such as using the word "scum" to replace part of someone's username. Who does that sort of thing as an adult? And actually, most children I know are far too decent to stoop that low. Honestly, just reading those two pages made me want to take a long shower.

WorraLiberty · 12/10/2020 18:50

@Time4chocolate

Wasn't going to post anything on here but couldn't sit on my hands on this particular aspect:

Daisy says:
I just cannot believe the contradiction in calling yourself "monkey" , when that has to be, without a doubt, the most awful, derogatory thing to be said about a person of colour. I need to step away otherwise I will explode. ?

SimonJT says:
Daisy said black posters couldn’t have the word monkey in their username because they are monkeys.

That is clearly not what was said and I think Daisy is owed an apology from JTSimon unless of course there is something else going on (which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest)

I'm all for calling out racist behaviour/comments but that is not it 😡

Exactly Time4chocolate

I know some posts can be taken different ways and that's how misunderstandings happen but no matter what way you read that post, it's clear daisy did not say black people are monkies.

derxa · 12/10/2020 18:50

@Time4chocolate

Wasn't going to post anything on here but couldn't sit on my hands on this particular aspect:

Daisy says:
I just cannot believe the contradiction in calling yourself "monkey" , when that has to be, without a doubt, the most awful, derogatory thing to be said about a person of colour. I need to step away otherwise I will explode. ?

SimonJT says:
Daisy said black posters couldn’t have the word monkey in their username because they are monkeys.

That is clearly not what was said and I think Daisy is owed an apology from JTSimon unless of course there is something else going on (which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest)

I'm all for calling out racist behaviour/comments but that is not it 😡

Agree
BaldricksCoffee · 12/10/2020 18:50

@Time4chocolate You're absolutely right, on several counts.

BakedCam · 12/10/2020 18:57

Could you at least point out where daisychain01 said "Black people are monkeys"?

Yes please, Simon.

Because if you cant, that's a very serious allegation to make

It is indeed. Something i tried to point out earlier to the OP, who glossed over it.

Daisy I understood your post over there.

TheSeedsOfADream · 12/10/2020 19:00

I think the posters beginning to support the racists should maybe believe someone when they say they were the victim of racism.
Or are we going to start asking women what they were wearing?
However, it doesn't surprise me that they're actively recruiting again and turning the tables on their victims. That's what racists do. Twas ever thus.

Noseofbrie · 12/10/2020 19:03

@BakedCam

Could you at least point out where daisychain01 said "Black people are monkeys"?

Yes please, Simon.

Because if you cant, that's a very serious allegation to make

It is indeed. Something i tried to point out earlier to the OP, who glossed over it.

Daisy I understood your post over there.

Yep, people make false allegations to deflect from their own awful behaviour. DARVO tactic.
DotForShort · 12/10/2020 19:03

Ugh, I looked again and found even more racism. Disgusting. I hope the site disappears for good.

Saucery · 12/10/2020 19:06

I don’t know why Admin keeps opening it. Either they are fed up of what it turned into or not. Making themselves look just as silly and childish as that core group of posters.

SimonJT you do owe daisy an apology for that misrepresentation of what she said. I know there was a lot of racist shit on there but her comment about the monkey -themed name really wasn’t one of them.

Quaagars · 12/10/2020 19:10

I think the posters beginning to support the racists should maybe believe someone when they say they were the victim of racism
Or are we going to start asking women what they were wearing?

Well bloody said
I can't comment on those particular posts as I haven't seen the thread, but I know EXACTLY how people twist, and make you doubt yourself if you ever call out shit.
I've had it done to me more times than I care to remember, it definitely happens.

HeIenaDove · 12/10/2020 19:13

@Quaagars Its called gaslighting. Horrible abusive tactic.

BaldricksCoffee · 12/10/2020 19:17

@DotForShort

Ugh, I looked again and found even more racism. Disgusting. I hope the site disappears for good.
Go on then - what was it, exactly?

Rather than making unsubstantiated accusations, would you care to provide some evidential proof?

MusterMark · 12/10/2020 19:17

But it was a very strange comment from daisy. I read it and thought so at the time. The context was an outraged series of messages reacting to the creation of a space for black people on MN. Why shouldn't a black poster use the name swooningmonkey if that's what they choose to do? Why should a poster on another forum be so apoplectic about it?

Quaagars · 12/10/2020 19:20

Its called gaslighting. Horrible abusive tactic

Yep Sad

Quaagars · 12/10/2020 19:22

Go on then - what was it, exactly?
would you care to provide some evidential proof?

These kind of "questions" do my head in.
It doesn't matter how much proof is provided, it's always going to be "that's not proof. Nowt wrong with that. Try again."
Never, ever see it, however much "evidence" they get.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 12/10/2020 19:26

In all of this the thing I am most Shock at is that anyone honestly gives a shit about Harry and Meghan. I mean what else is there to say? I'm still amazed MN hosts threads about them disguised as ongoing chat threads.

Second, of course, is how hard it is to moderate an internet forum. I've been a bit snippy with HQ about how they handle things over the years and had a long ban for it but that's because they have lots of money and lots of personnel. When it's just a few people, or one person, it really is impossible to please everyone all of the time. And really not easy to control your rogue elements. I surmise it's a good thing MC has gone apart from anything else for the H&M threads.

I don't know what sort of state the H&M threads on Mumsnet are in viz-a-vis racism (as I don't read them) but perhaps it's time to close these down?

BIWI · 12/10/2020 19:27

@BaldricksCoffee

How about this then?

“It's almost laughable. Well it would be laughable, if it wasn't sooooo bloody annoying. If you don't kiss-ass people of colour all the time, and make sure you say all white people are over privileged, and all POC can do no wrong, you are labelled racist... RAAAAAAYYYYYYYYCIST! ?
It's been like that for a couple of decades, on every flippin' message forum, on every tv programme, and in many magazines, and in the majority of workplaces... And as has been said, all the comedians (especially 'alternative' comedians) are always leftie, and are very derogatory about people who are conservative or right of centre... And as someone said earlier, black comedians mock white people, and berate them, and when they take the piss out of white people, it's OK for some reason. Yet white people can't say ANYthing remotely negative about POC. It pisses me right off! They even get to use the 'N' word amongst themselves, but WHITE people can't say it. Not that I would want to, or would if it was 'allowed' but it's still hugely disingenuous. When you question it, all you get is the 'we have reclaimed the word' bollocks!
A while back, Kanye West stated 'black people had a choice of whether they were slaves in America. They could have walked away, but they chose to stay...' He was mocked and laughed at, (mostly by black people,) and a few people were a bit annoyed, but the majority of people took the piss. If a WHITE PERSON had said what Kanye West said, their life would have been upended. They would have been 'cancelled.' They would have lost their job (or if self employed would have got no work from anywhere,) their agent would have dropped them, their friends would have ghosted them, and their life would have been destroyed.
The (black) people mocking, were making jokes about slavery (yes JOKES,) and they were all LOLing and jeering each other on. When anyone WHITE commented, they were attacked, derided, slagged, off and told 'fuck off white privilege.' By black people AND white people .... (The WOKE obviously!)
Also, as I said to someone earlier, I don't give a shit what some randoms on some shitty two-bit message forum say about us on here, and I don't give a shit if they slate me personally. I can be really outspoken and gobby and ranty, and do come out with some views that people will not, and DO not like. But I am not racist, and neither are my views, and they can say I am til hell freezes over; it doesn't make it true. I am championing 'pro-white people' views as I am sick of white people always being painted as the bad guy, and I am sick of the tedious 'white privilege' label people trot out constantly, and how you must not EVER EVER criticize a person of colour, even if they are a total twat. But I am not anti black/anti people of colour, and as I said a few days ago, I would always step in if I saw an act of injustice against a POC, and I have done so in the past. As most people would.
As I say, I know I am gobby and opinionated and ranty, and I do stick my head above the parapet, so I am not going to be surprised or bothered if a few people (on another forum) slag me off. (In fact IMO, it's a bonus that the views are being seen by more than just us lovelies on here!)
The only way I could stop people bitching and berating, is by reining it in, and not airing my views and opinions, by biting my tongue, and saying what I think 'the woke' want to hear. But that AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. I have been reining it in, and not speaking my mind for the best part of 2 decades, and I am sick of it. This is the first forum I have ever been on where you can speak your mind, and post non-woke, non-leftie views, without getting the posts deleted, or your account banned.
Also, a HUGE amount of people on here are coming out with similar views, so it shows it's not just me who is pissed off and frustrated at being gagged and muzzled, and not allowed to speak freely by society/the media/the woke! AND people on twitter are becoming more vocal about how pissed off they are about 'the wokery,' and political correctness, and white people always being made out to be the bad guy, and people of colour being saintly, and 'never wrong.'
So, reddit and mumsnet fuckers reading this. Don't think by slagging us off that you will silence us.
WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED! The more you berate us, the more we will speak our minds, and the more I love it that we are clearly getting to you!
I know you won't, but I suggest you bog off somewhere else, if our views and opinions offend your precious wee selves so much, because nobody asks you to come here. Coming here, PURELY to nose at our posts/views/opinions, so you can go back to your shitty little forum full of small-minded, woke little sheep, and slag us off, is ABSOLUTELY UTTERLY PATHETIC. Have you really got nothing better to do?
Get a life.”

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