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The Bluestocking, a unique location for daughters and sisters of earth, frost, feathers, fur, scales and spines

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AsWithGlad · 04/09/2026 19:22

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

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Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very ent...

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AngleofRepose · 17/09/2026 21:37

I love the little smile in Scene 4 when she realizes just how many labels it can make! I love label makers 😁

Boiledbeetle · 17/09/2026 21:39

AngleofRepose · 17/09/2026 21:37

I love the little smile in Scene 4 when she realizes just how many labels it can make! I love label makers 😁

I may have already labelled 114 things in the walk in wardrobe

MarieDeGournay · 17/09/2026 21:40

Dear little Gubbins, go easy on her BoilySmile
The apostrophe key is going to be worn out!

Fenella is scary. I fear for the gerbils. But on the other hand, they always seem to find a way out of tricky situations, don't they?

Boiledbeetle · 17/09/2026 21:44

MarieDeGournay · 17/09/2026 21:40

Dear little Gubbins, go easy on her BoilySmile
The apostrophe key is going to be worn out!

Fenella is scary. I fear for the gerbils. But on the other hand, they always seem to find a way out of tricky situations, don't they?

Gubbins enjoyed it in the end and went off to bed with her tummy full of Tea cakes. I found the many empty wrappers shoved behind the last box she labelled. I also found some non Boiledbeetle labels that led me to suspect gerbils will be finding themselves labelled in the coming days shortly after being in close proximity to Gubbins.

AngleofRepose · 17/09/2026 21:47

MarieDeGournay · 17/09/2026 18:23

When I lived in London I used to take the 'Mail boat' home to Ireland, and I loved the north Wales coast. I used to promise myself that when I retired to Ireland, I'd take the ferry from Dun Laoghaire over to Holyhead and jump on the train and get off at various little stations to explore the area.

Alas, they stopped the historic DL to Euston 'Irish Mail' service, the iconoclastic so-and-sos😡 - which had been running continuously from 1848 until 2002. Bastards😡

There is a ferry that runs from Dublin Port to Holyhead - not very foot-passenger friendly, unlike the lovely DL port, and I don't think it links well with the trains any more.

Otherwise, I'd be over to Conwy in a flash😃

Footnote: the Irish Mail used to carry a watch set to London time, so Ireland would be on 'proper' British time. A ball on a specific building in Dublin, The Ballast Office [since demolished I'm afraid] was set to London time, and dropped at 1pm GMT exactly, which was 25 minutes... ahead? I thinkConfused of Irish time.
Businesses and the public could set their watches to 'London time' accordingly.
Leopold Bloom refers to the Ballast Office timeball falling in Ulysses.

I also wish there were more frequent, convenient ferries between Wales and Ireland, Marie. Both Holyhead and Fishguard are too far for me, and the Fishguard to Rosslare always seems to be unreliable and/or cancelled. It would actually be a lot easier for me to do Liverpool to Dublin, but I read that the Liverpool ferry doesn't take foot passengers. I don't want to drive to Liverpool, and I don't really feel the need to have a car in Dublin, or any other area that I can get a train to, even including Galway!

It's a real shame about the ferries. Flying to Dublin from Cardiff, Heathrow, or Liverpool feels slightly ridiculous!

AngleofRepose · 17/09/2026 22:00

beeakoala · 17/09/2026 20:36

As a child, living near London, I used to stay with my cousin in Swansea a lot; hence my love of Mumbles and the Gower. She had to learn Welsh in school but wasn't interested in it and I had to learn French. So we tried to teach each other the other language through our regular letters. Sadly, the only Welsh that I actually managed to remember was, and is still, fy cadeirydd yw wedi torri. It means my chair is broken. Surprisingly, I've never had the need to use it!

The Gower is beautiful! If it weren't so remote (for an old lady, anyway), I'd happily live somewhere near Rhossili Bay for the rest of my life!

NotAtMyAge · 17/09/2026 22:11

Some Welsh words are derived from Latin: eglwys from ecclesia, is one that I remember. It does demonstrate a greater impact by the Romans on Wales than previously thought. As far as I know, there was very little to no Roman impact on Ireland until the Church, but I imagine Marie would know a lot more about that!

@AngleofRepose The Welsh word for window 'ffenestr' is virtually unchanged from the original Latin after nearly 2 millennia. 'Pont' for bridge is another one - from pons/pontem. Lots of fascinating information out there about Latin load words and also the influence of Norman French

AngleofRepose · 17/09/2026 22:20

NotAtMyAge · 17/09/2026 22:11

Some Welsh words are derived from Latin: eglwys from ecclesia, is one that I remember. It does demonstrate a greater impact by the Romans on Wales than previously thought. As far as I know, there was very little to no Roman impact on Ireland until the Church, but I imagine Marie would know a lot more about that!

@AngleofRepose The Welsh word for window 'ffenestr' is virtually unchanged from the original Latin after nearly 2 millennia. 'Pont' for bridge is another one - from pons/pontem. Lots of fascinating information out there about Latin load words and also the influence of Norman French

I had forgotten about ffenestr! And I don't know why I never thought of pont as Latin, makes perfect sense. I used to have a Welsh dictionary, must see if I can find it. It might be an etymological dictionary.

@MarieDeGournay you should research and publish an Irish etymological dictionary! I'd buy it!

Hedgehogforshort · 17/09/2026 22:21

The other thing I would like to mention is that in the seventies the Welsh and Scottish languages nearly died.

it was gladly resurrected and I think that has a hand in its evolvement

PastaAllaNorma · 17/09/2026 22:23

AngleofRepose · 17/09/2026 11:12

Marie, I had an acquaintance once who was a native Welsh speaker, and she told me that Welsh is very close to Cornish and Breton, as they developed within the same group. She could even understand Breton well enough to not starve in Brittany.

The other group being Scots Gaelic (pronounced "Gallic"), Manx, and Gaelic (Irish) (these are the terms I was taught when I was learning Welsh- apologies if those aren't the correct terms!)

I suppose this makes sense, geographically.

My grandfather's first language was Welsh. Each year the Breton Onion Johnny bloke would come by with his last two strings of onions before heading back to the boat at Liverpool.

As my Dad tells it, he spoke Breton while my grandfather spoke Welsh and they'd catch up on a year's worth of gossip.

AngleofRepose · 17/09/2026 22:23

Ok, nos da, pawb - I promised myself I would get to bed early once this week... sleep gerbils, please head my way...

(I hope the gerbils made it back safely...)

EdithStourton · 17/09/2026 22:26

I think our locality might have acquired a pair of tawny owls.

Because there's often a barn owl around quite often, we probably have a pair in the vicinity. Our neighbours have a sitting room with a nice view of the back field and seem to see one fairly frequently; we only see one occasionally. We sometimes hear one at night - it's a noise like a demon vengefully killing something, possibly designed to strike the fear of owl into the heart of small rodents, and not exactly restful.

About a week ago I was lying in bed one chilly evening waiting to fall asleep and thought I heard that wavering 'WoOOOooohOOOooo'. So I got out of bed, opened the window and listened. Lots of wooohooo-ing from a distance away. Very nice and much enjoyed. Went back to bed, fell asleep.

Then last night (or possibly crack-of-dawn o'clock, I fell asleep afterwards and can't remember which it was) there were a couple of distant wooohooos. And then, very close and very loud - from our roof , 'T'wick! T'WICK! T'WICK!' This was repeated several times, but I didn't hear any woohoos in return.

I hope they stay and aren't just passing through. I love the woohoo part of their call. I used to walk the dogs before work in the pre-dawn of the winter, and my route took me along below the crest of a hill that had a small wood at one end, a copse at the other and some big old trees (several oaks, a chestnut) along the hedgeline in between. The sky would be either black, or a deep inky blue as the light crept slowly up, and the tawnies would often be calling from the trees. There was something magical about it that made it worthwhile to turn out at 6.15 into whatever weather the winter was presenting us with.

Hedgehogforshort · 17/09/2026 22:33

On another front in my own life the boat syndicate saga has sort of continued.

i as an overly empathetic woman have got sucked in to the woes of a particular individual, male of course, who created a load of mayhem, as a reaction to the mason issue

my finger keeps wandering over the block facility on watsapp and I cannot decide if I should delete him or keep my beady eye on him.

EdithStourton · 17/09/2026 22:36

Language-wise, Portuguese got about a bit.
Portuguese for wardrobe: armário
Hindi for cupboard: almari
Malayalam for wardrobe: alamaara
Malay for cupboard: almari
Indian English for cupboard or wardrobe: almirah

Some of that I knew. Some of it I just now stumbled across as I double-checked what I thought I knew before I misinformed you all.

RumNotRun · 17/09/2026 23:00

I'm a bit late to the language conversation but it has been fascinating to read all your posts.

We were able to take Russian, Spanish, or Latin in 2nd year senior school. I thought Spanish would be easy enough to pick up in later life, Latin was pointless (I am ashamed of 12yr old me), so I opted for Russian. It was really interesting but I do wish I'd carried it on for GCSE. I also learned Hellenistic Greek for one semester at uni. I can say the first line of the New Testament and that's about it. I remember them teaching us "to loose" and the various tenses but for some reason my brain struggled with that. I think perhaps because we don't tend to use loose as a verb very often (unless you're one of those on MN who can't spell lose).

I also thought some of you may find this diagram interesting. It was posted on MN years ago and I loved it so much that I bought a canvas print of it.

The Bluestocking, a unique location for daughters and sisters of earth, frost, feathers, fur, scales and spines
NotAtMyAge · 17/09/2026 23:01

EdithStourton · 17/09/2026 22:36

Language-wise, Portuguese got about a bit.
Portuguese for wardrobe: armário
Hindi for cupboard: almari
Malayalam for wardrobe: alamaara
Malay for cupboard: almari
Indian English for cupboard or wardrobe: almirah

Some of that I knew. Some of it I just now stumbled across as I double-checked what I thought I knew before I misinformed you all.

And French has armoire and Italian armadio.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/09/2026 23:30

I did a search for the etymology of ‘armoire’:
The word "armoire" comes from Middle French, derived from "armarier," meaning a cupboard or cabinet for storing weapons. It ultimately traces back to the Latin "armarium," which means a place for tools or implements.

… and English has ‘armoury’.

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2026 00:14

Long day, very tired, loved language talkSmile
Not sure if 'language talk' is tautological but too bad if it is, I must get horizontal!
G'night all 🌛

The Bluestocking, a unique location for daughters and sisters of earth, frost, feathers, fur, scales and spines
Chersfrozenface · 18/09/2026 02:24

@MarieDeGournay you'll be a bit jealous of this, then.

Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru, more or less the equivalent of the Oxford English Dictionary. It has some etymological notes.

https://geiriadur.ac.uk/gpc/gpc.html

Look up 'benyw' for instance - H. Wydd. stands for Hen Wyddeleg = Old Irish.

Yes, I have insomnia. Again.

Chickadeeinme · 18/09/2026 03:02

EdithStourton · 17/09/2026 22:36

Language-wise, Portuguese got about a bit.
Portuguese for wardrobe: armário
Hindi for cupboard: almari
Malayalam for wardrobe: alamaara
Malay for cupboard: almari
Indian English for cupboard or wardrobe: almirah

Some of that I knew. Some of it I just now stumbled across as I double-checked what I thought I knew before I misinformed you all.

Commonly-used word in America - armoire.

Chickadeeinme · 18/09/2026 03:07

Sympathies @Chersfrozenface. I have had two nights in a row where I’ve been awake for a couple of hours in the small hours. I hate it, though not quite as badly as I hate the nights where I can’t get to sleep in the first place. I have to be up early on Saturday morning to drive about 70 miles to run a meeting that starts at 9 and which Google tells me will take about an hour and a half as some of it is on rural roads. I could do with the sleep gerbils on duty over here tomorrow night.

AngleofRepose · 18/09/2026 05:55

Hope you managed to get to sleep, Cher. I was awake at about 4.45 - now I remember why I don't go to bed early anymore...

The Geiriadur - yes! I know I must have a copy somewhere... must rummage...

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2026 06:48

I’m bad at getting to sleep, usually not too bad after that. But I woke early and remembered I’d not put the bins out, and the food waste really needed doing having been away last week . They start collection at 7am and I think we must be near the start of the route so I’ve just been out doing that.

EdithStourton · 18/09/2026 08:46

DH was snoring. Say no more.

You lot have sent me down a rabbit hole on Google Translate. I may be gone for some time.

DauntlessDamson · 18/09/2026 08:55

On the subject of owls, someone once told me that the traditional t-wit, t-woo call is actually the sound of two owls. The male does the "Woooo" part, with the female replying "Twit!" I don't know if it's true but I like the idea😁

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