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The Bluestocking, a unique location for daughters and sisters of earth, frost, feathers, fur, scales and spines

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AsWithGlad · 04/09/2026 19:22

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

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Magpiecomplex · 18/09/2026 10:08

DauntlessDamson · 18/09/2026 08:55

On the subject of owls, someone once told me that the traditional t-wit, t-woo call is actually the sound of two owls. The male does the "Woooo" part, with the female replying "Twit!" I don't know if it's true but I like the idea😁

It's true. We've had a solitary male forlornly Whoo-ing for a couple of years, but only once heard a T-whit. I hope he didn't scare her off.

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2026 11:06

Sympathies to the non-sleepers. Flowers

I had a word with the Sleep and Dream Gerbils.
They got a bit defensive and said we do our best, but we can't do magic you know, so I said like, hello? can't do magic? you are gerbils? who have wings? and fly around sprinkling sparkly dust? and they went quiet and sloped off.
To have a think about the quality of their customer service, I trust.Smile

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2026 11:21

Chersfrozenface · 18/09/2026 02:24

@MarieDeGournay you'll be a bit jealous of this, then.

Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru, more or less the equivalent of the Oxford English Dictionary. It has some etymological notes.

https://geiriadur.ac.uk/gpc/gpc.html

Look up 'benyw' for instance - H. Wydd. stands for Hen Wyddeleg = Old Irish.

Yes, I have insomnia. Again.

Well, we have the inimitable Dineen's Dictionary, much parodied because he found so many alt uses - regiona, literary, archaic, whatever - for words that it looks like any given Irish word can mean just about anything!

I posted this previously but it merits repeating - Myles na gCopaleen's send-up of Dineen. It's parody, but barely😂
Cur, g. curtha and cuirthe, m. - act of putting, sending, sowing, raining discussing, burying, vomiting, hammering into the ground, throwing through the air, rejecting, shooting, the setting or clamp in a rick of turf, selling, addressing, the crown of cast iron buttons which have been made bright by contact with cliff faces, the stench of congealing badgers' suet, the luminescence of glue-lice, a noise made in a house by an unauthorised person, a heron's boil, a leprachaun's denture, a sheep biscuit, the act of inflating hare's offal with a bicycle pump, a leak in a spirit level, the whine of a sewage farm windmill, a corncrake's clapper, the scum on the eye of a senile ram, a dustman's dumpling, a beetle's faggot, the act of loading every rift with ore, a dumb man's curse, a blasket, a 'kur', a fiddlers occupational disease, a fairy godmothers father, a hawk's vertigo, the art of predicting past events, a wooden coat, a custard-mincer, a blue-bottles 'farm', a gravy flask, a timber-mine, a toy craw, a porridge mill, a fair day donnybrook with nothing barred, a stoats stomach-pump..

I'm not sure Dineen gives any etymology, I'll have to check. Don't think so.

And who was it suggested I write my own Etymological Dictionary of the Irish Language? All the words in all the dictionaries in all the world couldn't describe how woefully inadequate I would be for that task😁

I suppose I could search through the online Dineen for key abbreviations like ecc. for ecclesiastical, because most of those would be Latin... that would be a start... oh great, a whole new rabbit hole to go down😏

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2026 11:36

Myles na gCopaleen/Flann O'Brien - Brian O'Nolan in real life - could be funny in several languages including Latin.

E.g from his 'Cathecism of Cliché'

Q. From what small two-letter word may the whole thing be said to have been a washout?
A. The word go.
Q. With what two cognate effects do I invite you to clear out of my house?
A. Bag and baggage.
Q. What is a bad thing worse than?
A. Useless.
Q. Quid dicerent Dublin Transport Company?
A. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
Q. Quando timeo Danaos?
A. et dona ferentes
Q. Which omnibus line is best augured?
A. Fortuna favet 40 bus.

and so on. A few in German as well!

Chersfrozenface · 18/09/2026 12:08

I have some of his books, bought years ago.

Hang on, let's take a look at one - The Best of Myles, purchased November 1978, 3rd impression, published that year.

As it happens, on page 276 Myles has a go at Dineen.

Is that meta?

Chersfrozenface · 18/09/2026 12:25

Chersfrozenface · 18/09/2026 12:08

I have some of his books, bought years ago.

Hang on, let's take a look at one - The Best of Myles, purchased November 1978, 3rd impression, published that year.

As it happens, on page 276 Myles has a go at Dineen.

Is that meta?

Just realised that you said Myles parodied Dineen, Marie.

Ignore me, I am evidently stupid with lack of sleep.

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2026 13:21

You have the same book as I was copying from Cher - now you've unearthed it I hope it gives you lots of laughs, the Catechism of Cliché is always good for a guaranteed giggle!

He used to have a daily column in the Irish Times, and sometimes he'd say at the end of it 'I think that is very funny. If you do not think so, please write to me and tell me why' which I think is very funny in itself😄

One of his sillier ones is two Bright Young Things talking [ this is from memory]
My grandfather was wounded at Waterloo, you know.
Oh I say! Which platform?
Oh rayully dahling, what a silly thing to ask - as if it matters which platform!
😂

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2026 13:28

Feline news!
Spotted wildcat from Bolivian forest revealed as new species

I've never had a pet cat. I've been waiting for this one. I love its ears.

The fact that it is wild and the only one of its species doesn't matter - doesn't every cat believe it is wild, and the only one of its species? they act that way anyway😁

I also sympathise for it being 'long mistaken for relatives', I too have suffered little cat, when I was a child people were always mistaking me for my sister and calling me by her name, it's nasty, isn't it? Come over here and let me stroke your lovely roundy little ears, and it'll be all all right litle Leopardus tilcayo..Smile

A small cat with amber eyes peers at the camera. The cat has a black nose, a striped forehead and triangular ears. Its coat is grey-brown and it has spots like a leopard.

Spotted wildcat from Bolivian forest revealed as new species

A spotted wildcat long mistaken for relatives has been identified as a new species in Bolivia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6x2zgv9rr4ro

EdithStourton · 18/09/2026 13:29

Magpiecomplex · 18/09/2026 10:08

It's true. We've had a solitary male forlornly Whoo-ing for a couple of years, but only once heard a T-whit. I hope he didn't scare her off.

It's tawny owls who do this.
Barn owls just do their blood-curdling scream.
Little owls sound almost like some sort of sea bird crying over the marshes.

One noise we sometimes get here is muntjac barking. Water deer apparently bark as well, and listening to it on YT, it sounds slightly more human-like than the racket muntjac make, and each bark lasts a little longer.

And of course I went down the rabbit hole and discovered that roe bark too, similar sound to a muntjac but closer together.

I'm giving my gamekeeper mate a lift in a few days time. I'll pick his brains about all this.

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2026 14:43

Returning to Dineen [obsessed, moi?Grin]
I've just looked at the dictionary online, and there are no abbreviations like 'ecc. for ecclastiatical' that I could use to start my Etymological Dictionary of the Irish Lange. Oh dear what a pity, I'll have to empty the dishwasher instead...

But I spotted a pair of random defintions which show that Myles na gCopaleen didn't have to work too hard to come up with parodes - this is authentic Dineen:

áinleog, -oige, -oga, f., the little bar in a lock in which the barrel of the key fits
áinleog, -oige, -oga, f., a night hawk, a swallow; a weed of the nettle kind.
🙃

DeanElderberry · 18/09/2026 18:43

a weed 'of the nettle kind'? Does that mean a nettle? Tall, sting-y, good to eat, excellent basis for fibre production (but not used that way in Ireland afaik).

and how does that get the same name as two completely different birdies?

All of them very different from a tiny and specific part of a lock..

JanesLittleGirl · 18/09/2026 19:03

Hmm.... Marijuana is a weed of the nettle kind. Just saying.

MyrtleLion · 18/09/2026 19:23

Gosie shortly. More Gosie tomorrow. Probably some on Sunday too.

JanesLittleGirl · 18/09/2026 19:24

MyrtleLion · 18/09/2026 19:23

Gosie shortly. More Gosie tomorrow. Probably some on Sunday too.

Now you are spoiling us. Thanks in advance.

MyrtleLion · 18/09/2026 19:40

46. The Studio

In which a network is revealed…

Pernilla Ågren’s studio was the last building on a street of wooden houses painted the red of old barns, and it had a card in the window that said ÖPPET and in smaller letters below, Open.

Inside was glass. On shelves, on iron stands, hanging in the windows on fishing line, glass that looked as though it had been poured and had set halfway through the pouring.

@EmpressaurusKitty went straight to the largest piece, a slab of blue the height of a door, said “Oh,” in a voice that carried, and stood in front of it with her hands behind her back. Gosie went to a shelf of small pieces by the window, reached out a paw and then slowly withdrew it.

“I’m Pernilla, welcome to my open studio. You can pick up the glass,” said a woman in a leather apron, coming past with a tray of coffee cups. She was tall and her hair was tied up with what appeared to be a length of copper wire. “That is the point of today. Everyone should feel the work in their hands. Pick them up.”

Gosie picked up a piece of green glass. It was warm from the window and heavier than it looked.

Kitty came in ten minutes later on her own, and walked through the studio to a low bench at the back. She settled down next to a set of scales, a roll of brown tape and a stack of paperwork and shut her eyes. Nobody looked at her. Pernilla, passing by with the empty tray, stroked the top of Kitty’s head without stopping.

At that point a courier arrived. She was a young woman in a pale grey jacket bearing a discreet white logo KS on the top of the sleeves. She had a box in her arms the size of a small suitcase and set it on the bench next to Kitty, who opened one eye and shut it again.

Pernilla came over wiping her hands on her apron. The courier held out a clipboard. Pernilla signed, took the offered sheet, folded it along a perforated line and tore it in two. One half she handed back to the courier, who put it inside her jacket without looking at it. Pernilla placed the other half on the bench.

Then she reached under the bench and brought out a second box, smaller, already taped, and put it on the scales. From a drawer she took a label, tore it in half down the perforation in the middle and placed one half on the bench next to the half receipt. Pernilla then peeled the label from its backing and pressed it on top of the box, smoothing it down with the flat of her hand before handing the box to the courier, who said something in Swedish and left. The whole business had taken a little under two minutes.

Kitty stood up, turned round once, and sat down on both pieces of paper.

Pernilla noticed when she came back with more coffee. “Ah. No. Those I need.” She put the tray down and lifted Kitty with both hands under the front legs. Kitty went long and heavy and when Pernilla set her down on a clear part of the bench, Kitty stood up, walked back and sat down on the paper again.

Pernilla laughed and said, “Whose is this cat?”

“Mine,” said Empressaurus from the far end of the room, without turning from the blue slab. “She’s looking after your paperwork.”

“She is sitting on my money.”

Kitty turned her head and looked down the room, first at Gosie, then at Empressaurus.

“Is it important?” asked Empressaurus. She crossed the room towards the bench. “What she’s sitting on?”

“It is how I get paid for posting packages.” Pernilla took the corner of the paper between two fingers and pulled. Kitty stayed put.

“But you’re an artist,” said Empressaurus.

“Yes. And I accept and post parcels, too.”

“For what purpose?”

Pernilla looked at her as if she had asked what glass was. “For women. You do not have this in England? A woman is leaving a man who reads her post and opens her parcels. She needs to move her things without him seeing where they go. Or she buys something that cannot come to the house. She sends the parcel to somebody like me instead, and I send it on, and it goes to the next person, and eventually it is where it should be and he has seen nothing. I have done it for years.”

“Where do they go?” asked Gosie.

“I don’t really know. A hub, probably, maybe a locker, a shop, someone else’s house.” She shrugged. “I do not get the address. I get a printed label and I put it on the box. I know only the courier who brings me a parcel, because she is standing in front of me, and I know the courier who takes a parcel, because she is standing in front of me too, and she is only a courier. That is all I know. That is how it is meant to work.”

“You’ve never wanted to know more than that?” asked Empressaurus.

“Why? If I knew where every box went, someone might ask me.” Pernilla gave the paper one more pull and let go. “There is nothing to know. Boxes come, boxes go, a woman somewhere gets her things. If your cat would get off my postage I could go and make more coffee.”

Empressaurus lifted Kitty off the paperwork. On the bench were half a receipt and half a label, each bearing the same KS logo and a different QR code. Pernilla put them in her apron pocket and went to make coffee.

Empressaurus bought the small green piece Gosie had been holding when the courier arrived. As they left, Kitty sauntered ahead of them into the street. “How do we find the crate if we have no idea where it went?” asked Empressaurus.

“We need to find the courier company,” said Gosie.

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/46-the-studio

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EdithStourton · 18/09/2026 20:59

The plot thickens...

Kitty stood up, turned round once, and sat down on both pieces of paper.
That is so cat.

We used to have a cat who specialised in sitting on whatever paperwork it was that you really needed to get at. He'd look all innocent and blink at you.

Magpiecomplex · 18/09/2026 21:50

Has anyone seen Bessie? My foot is really itchy, which is probably a sign it's healing, but Bessie has nice long sharp claws and is probably a whizz at scratching.

AsWithGlad · 19/09/2026 00:57

Remember Myrtle was going to a wonderful event earlier this week, but she couldn’t tell us more?

On Thursday evening I went somewhere I was equally looking forward to, and it was even more betterer than I expected. I will need to name names, though, so that - if you follow other threads in the FWR section - you will fully appreciate my joy.

Also, know that I watched the Sandie Peggie and Kelly employment tribunals live (and the Darlington nurses), and the Michael Foran explanations from his hotel room each evening, plus I subscribe to his Substack.

So, yesterday evening I managed to travel to what was described as a book launch, held in the smaller room in a small bookshop. As I walked past the side windows I saw the author, Michael Foran, getting ready to speak. Watching someone I’d only seen online before and admired so much was quite enough joy for one evening.

I gave my name to security and was allowed in. By the door I thought I saw someone from my local women’s group, so I smiled, said “Hello” and kept going. She also said “Hello” but looked a bit confused. Then I realised it was Naomi Cunningham.

I got a drink and moved slowly into the small room, which had 30 - 40 seats for the attendees. I went to the seat the bookshop had kindly reserved for me, which was in the same row as Naomi, with two men between us. The man next to me started talking to me politely: the other I realised later was Naomi’s husband, Tim Pitt- Payne. I don’t know who my neighbour was but from tone of their conversation later they clearly knew each other.

Michael Foran spoke about his book and was very clear, as he always is, as were his answers in the question sessions. Those questions were all high-standard and (unlike most I’ve experienced in similar circumstances in that city) asked completely without drawing attention to the questioner. Two other people from the small audience who also spoke were Adua Reindorf and Margaret Gribbon, who arrived and sat down separately, but both very close to where I was.

Michael Foran had done his PhD in that city: at the start he thanked several people present who knew him from then.

The whole evening was overwhelmingly positive, no dissent anywhere and the bookshop and security staff went out of their way to be helpful to an old lady using a stick (me). I felt like an observer included in a group of good friends who all respected and valued each other.

I found out later that the date was chosen to be just before a law conference in the city which those lawyers may/will be attending. Do you think I can unobtrusively sidle my way into the part of the Saturday afternoon session which will be led by Naomi Cunningham and Margaret Gribbon? As the conference started on Friday the attendees will probably all recognise each other by then, so probably not. A smaller Bluestocking being might sneak in, though, and report back.

Edit: conference address details available on request.
😉

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ErrolTheDragon · 19/09/2026 01:02

Oh wow, Glad, that sounds great!

WearyAuldWumman · 19/09/2026 01:08

How lovely, @AsWithGlad .

AsWithGlad · 19/09/2026 01:56

Thank you, @ErrolTheDragon and @WearyAuldWumman , it was. You hope something will be good and then it’s unexpectedly better.
When I watch Sandie Peggie v RCN next week and hear Naomi Cunningham I can think “I saw her last week.” If I get online access, that is.

Here is a photo from the event. I didn’t know if it was appropriate to take one so I did it quickly, but I think it was as it was of the main speaker. Later, from 2 rows directly behind her, I watched Adua Reindorf take a much better one. (!)

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Chickadeeinme · 19/09/2026 03:27

What a fantastic opportunity to be with that stellar group, @AsWithGlad.

EmpressaurusKitty · 19/09/2026 06:41

That sounds wonderful, Glad.

The ‘Kitty went long and heavy’ part is very her!

DauntlessDamson · 19/09/2026 07:19

What a great evening, Glad

EdithStourton · 19/09/2026 07:45

That sounds like a fab outing, Glad.

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