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To think some women automatically see attractive women as a threat to their relationships?

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MyOpalTurtle · Today 07:09

I’ve noticed that when you’re considered an attractive woman, simply being around certain couples can create unnecessary tension. It’s almost as though some women assume you must be interested in their partner or that their partner must be interested in you, purely because of how you look. I’ve experienced this sort of thing since I was a teenager and I find it incredibly irritating.

I’ve never pursued another woman’s partner, never had an affair with someone else’s partner and never behaved in a way that would suggest I was interested. Yet sometimes it feels as though your mere presence is enough for people to make assumptions about your intentions.

AIBU to think it’s unfair to treat other women as potential threats simply because you find them attractive?

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Firesidechatter · Today 12:03

Gosh some of these comments are just bitter and aggressive. The faux innocence, it must be you’re a horrible person, not other women can take against you simply as you’re attractive.

everg single person knows some women can do this, pretending it doesn’t happen and the op must have a shit personality is beyond embarassing,

it’s like the fact she knows she’s attractive and has the temerity to say it, or maybe actually be attractive means she needs bringing down a peg or two.

its just really shameful behaviour and reveals more about the person displaying it than the op

Oliveoy · Today 12:33

Firesidechatter · Today 12:03

Gosh some of these comments are just bitter and aggressive. The faux innocence, it must be you’re a horrible person, not other women can take against you simply as you’re attractive.

everg single person knows some women can do this, pretending it doesn’t happen and the op must have a shit personality is beyond embarassing,

it’s like the fact she knows she’s attractive and has the temerity to say it, or maybe actually be attractive means she needs bringing down a peg or two.

its just really shameful behaviour and reveals more about the person displaying it than the op

Bitter about what? That they must be so unattractive because they've never had the OP's experience?

5128gap · Today 12:53

Firesidechatter · Today 12:03

Gosh some of these comments are just bitter and aggressive. The faux innocence, it must be you’re a horrible person, not other women can take against you simply as you’re attractive.

everg single person knows some women can do this, pretending it doesn’t happen and the op must have a shit personality is beyond embarassing,

it’s like the fact she knows she’s attractive and has the temerity to say it, or maybe actually be attractive means she needs bringing down a peg or two.

its just really shameful behaviour and reveals more about the person displaying it than the op

Do you not find the OPs own assertion that married women show a pattern of behaviour of coldness to attractive women due to jealousy equally problematic, if you're taking a pro women stance?
I don't like to see women taken down a peg or two because they're attractive, but no more do I like the implication there are hoards of less attractive insecure women desperately trying to fend off competition for their men.
I believe there are some women who fall into this category. However, I don't buy there are so many and it happens to often to the OP or anyone else that it's necessary to do a lot of wide eyed faux 'questioning' about 'why ever do women do this all the time to me?'
As I said, being an attractive woman is not a niche thing. Yet somehow only some attractive women experience this phenomenon so frequently they have to soul search about it, invariably coming to a conclusion that shows other women in a poor light. Which isn't great either.

Firesidechatter · Today 13:41

5128gap · Today 12:53

Do you not find the OPs own assertion that married women show a pattern of behaviour of coldness to attractive women due to jealousy equally problematic, if you're taking a pro women stance?
I don't like to see women taken down a peg or two because they're attractive, but no more do I like the implication there are hoards of less attractive insecure women desperately trying to fend off competition for their men.
I believe there are some women who fall into this category. However, I don't buy there are so many and it happens to often to the OP or anyone else that it's necessary to do a lot of wide eyed faux 'questioning' about 'why ever do women do this all the time to me?'
As I said, being an attractive woman is not a niche thing. Yet somehow only some attractive women experience this phenomenon so frequently they have to soul search about it, invariably coming to a conclusion that shows other women in a poor light. Which isn't great either.

But the op was very clear, she said some women, you yourself have agreed with her that there are some women, you write it in your third paragraph

at no point did she say all married women, most married women or hoardes of married women, she simply said some.

EveningSpread · Today 13:42

MyOpalTurtle · Today 10:24

That’s quite an elaborate interpretation of something I haven’t actually said. Of course attractiveness is subjective and I’ve never suggested that everyone finds me attractive or that other women are somehow less attractive than I am.

I’m also not sure why you’ve assumed that recognising one’s own attractiveness necessarily involves comparing oneself unfavourably or favourably with other women. Multiple women can be attractive simultaneously. It’s not a competition in which one woman’s attractiveness somehow diminishes another’s.

As for whether I possess natural beauty or enjoy having my hair and nails done, I’m not sure what relevance that has to whether someone makes assumptions about another woman’s intentions.

What’s particularly interesting is that you’ve constructed an entire narrative about how I perceive myself and other women, despite my having said nothing to support it. My point has never been that I’m uniquely attractive or that every woman feels threatened by me. It’s that some women may perceive other women as romantic competition, even when there’s no evidence of romantic or sexual interest in their partners.

Those are two very different arguments.

I was being flippant because your post makes loads of quite self-absorbed assumptions.

It assumes you’re so attractive as to be threatening to a lot of women. It assumes that’s the reason why some women act a certain (vague) way around you when their husbands are present, even though you admittedly have no evidence that this is the case.

On any of those occasions, any number of other things could explain a change of atmosphere - if you’re even reading that correctly. Being distracted, something you said, having more people there they know better than you, an illness, a piece of news…

Which is to say, there are just so many variables and vagaries at play in what you describe, that I don’t see how you can come to this conclusion without being a bit self-absorbed.

Even the kind of women men stare at in the street partially attract attention because of decisions they have made to look a particular way. So I’m questioning, I suppose, whether you are wearing that uniform, expecting the attention, and then bemoaning the harshness of it all. If it is really even happening.

In my experience, the people who assume they are really attractive are often not the most attractive ones at all. They are performing a certain look.

We will never know, really. I just am quite astounded at the lack of self-reflection and the quantity of unfounded assumption in your post.

Firesidechatter · Today 13:47

EveningSpread · Today 13:42

I was being flippant because your post makes loads of quite self-absorbed assumptions.

It assumes you’re so attractive as to be threatening to a lot of women. It assumes that’s the reason why some women act a certain (vague) way around you when their husbands are present, even though you admittedly have no evidence that this is the case.

On any of those occasions, any number of other things could explain a change of atmosphere - if you’re even reading that correctly. Being distracted, something you said, having more people there they know better than you, an illness, a piece of news…

Which is to say, there are just so many variables and vagaries at play in what you describe, that I don’t see how you can come to this conclusion without being a bit self-absorbed.

Even the kind of women men stare at in the street partially attract attention because of decisions they have made to look a particular way. So I’m questioning, I suppose, whether you are wearing that uniform, expecting the attention, and then bemoaning the harshness of it all. If it is really even happening.

In my experience, the people who assume they are really attractive are often not the most attractive ones at all. They are performing a certain look.

We will never know, really. I just am quite astounded at the lack of self-reflection and the quantity of unfounded assumption in your post.

However hard you try to insinuate she couldn’t possibly be attractive, the overwhelmingly likely scenario is she is attractive and some women are threatened by that,

I don’t understand rhe gaslighting being done, we all know some women behave Like this,

Myplantsmyrules · Today 13:51

Is it more that they don't trust their partners around attractive women?

gotitsoiflauntit · Today 13:53

Myplantsmyrules · Today 13:51

Is it more that they don't trust their partners around attractive women?

With good reason in some cases.

5128gap · Today 14:15

Firesidechatter · Today 13:41

But the op was very clear, she said some women, you yourself have agreed with her that there are some women, you write it in your third paragraph

at no point did she say all married women, most married women or hoardes of married women, she simply said some.

The OP is suggesting that encountering these women is a frequent event for her. So frequent she claims it to be a pattern of female behaviour.
I'm suggesting that while of course some women may behave this way, it isn't a common pattern. If it were, all attractive women would share OPs experience.

EveningSpread · Today 14:42

Firesidechatter · Today 13:47

However hard you try to insinuate she couldn’t possibly be attractive, the overwhelmingly likely scenario is she is attractive and some women are threatened by that,

I don’t understand rhe gaslighting being done, we all know some women behave Like this,

I’m not insinuating that. I’m suggesting that attractiveness can be performed and certain responses expected. And that the level of assumption that needs to be made to come to OP’s conclusions are considerable.

I just can’t imagine sitting down with my DP and saying “Darling, did you notice Helen was a bit cold with me tonight? It must be because Bob was there, and she doesn’t like women as attractive as me in the same room as her husband. Don’t you notice this happening to me all the time? It’s so trying.”

On at least some of those occasions, Helen might just find her annoying, or be tired, or any other number of things.

It just seems odd to start a post about the assumed reactions of women that can’t be verified.

Firesidechatter · Today 14:51

5128gap · Today 14:15

The OP is suggesting that encountering these women is a frequent event for her. So frequent she claims it to be a pattern of female behaviour.
I'm suggesting that while of course some women may behave this way, it isn't a common pattern. If it were, all attractive women would share OPs experience.

No she hasn’t, she’s been at pains to point out it isn’t every woman, that it’s some women and it’s a pattern of behaviour she’s seen. This doesn’t mean frequent, hoardes or every woman.

I can’t decide if this is a reading comprehension issue or gaslighting.

Firesidechatter · Today 14:55

EveningSpread · Today 14:42

I’m not insinuating that. I’m suggesting that attractiveness can be performed and certain responses expected. And that the level of assumption that needs to be made to come to OP’s conclusions are considerable.

I just can’t imagine sitting down with my DP and saying “Darling, did you notice Helen was a bit cold with me tonight? It must be because Bob was there, and she doesn’t like women as attractive as me in the same room as her husband. Don’t you notice this happening to me all the time? It’s so trying.”

On at least some of those occasions, Helen might just find her annoying, or be tired, or any other number of things.

It just seems odd to start a post about the assumed reactions of women that can’t be verified.

Again why are peiple writing this stuff? She’s not said it happens all the time. She’s said it’s a pattern she’s seen and with some women.

and I am going to back her up, becaude I’ve seen women do this, we all have. Christ this thread shows just how 8ngrained it is for some women to want to attack other women for either being or thinking they are attractive.

no one should be pretending the op is the issue here, that it’s all in her mind, accusing her of writing stuff she didn’t, and pretending no , women dont do this, because every single woman posting knows some do,

every one of us knows it,

fivepounder · Today 15:04

I wouldn’t say I’ve ever felt that way but I feel confident that I’m attractive enough and our relationship is good and secure enough to not feel insecure around about other women.

EveningSpread · Today 15:11

Firesidechatter · Today 14:51

No she hasn’t, she’s been at pains to point out it isn’t every woman, that it’s some women and it’s a pattern of behaviour she’s seen. This doesn’t mean frequent, hoardes or every woman.

I can’t decide if this is a reading comprehension issue or gaslighting.

It’s not gaslighting, because nobody on this thread can say for sure what’s happening. Not even OP - she is making assumptions.

The only thing we know for sure is the OP explains certain interactions in this way. We don’t know anything about the women she’s claiming treat her this way. I think that’s the point.

EveningSpread · Today 15:15

Firesidechatter · Today 14:55

Again why are peiple writing this stuff? She’s not said it happens all the time. She’s said it’s a pattern she’s seen and with some women.

and I am going to back her up, becaude I’ve seen women do this, we all have. Christ this thread shows just how 8ngrained it is for some women to want to attack other women for either being or thinking they are attractive.

no one should be pretending the op is the issue here, that it’s all in her mind, accusing her of writing stuff she didn’t, and pretending no , women dont do this, because every single woman posting knows some do,

every one of us knows it,

But this isn’t quite right: the OP is assuming that other women are in competition with her. I find that pretty attacking / un feminist on behalf of all those women!

But OK: if you and everyone else wants to assume you know the unspoken thoughts of “women”, fine.

5128gap · Today 15:16

Firesidechatter · Today 14:51

No she hasn’t, she’s been at pains to point out it isn’t every woman, that it’s some women and it’s a pattern of behaviour she’s seen. This doesn’t mean frequent, hoardes or every woman.

I can’t decide if this is a reading comprehension issue or gaslighting.

You're reaching to suggest either. And no need for it. We can disagree without you resorting to accusing me of intellectual inferiority or psychological abuse.
The OP has repeatedly referred to a pattern, over decades, since her teens, whereby women treat her with suspicion. She attributes this to a pattern of jealousy/insecurity in women around attractive women.
My point is that if such a pattern existed, to the extent OP claims, and for the reasons OP claims, then it would be a common experience amongst all attractive women.
I'm not saying it's never happened to her. I'm querying her interpretation of the behaviour.

gotitsoiflauntit · Today 15:18

My point is that if such a pattern existed, to the extent OP claims, and for the reasons OP claims, then it would be a common experience amongst all attractive women.

How do you know it isn’t?

Firesidechatter · Today 15:20

I just don’t see what some are seeing, I see the op saying some women, and she’s seen a pattern of it from her teens react hostile if she interacts with their partner,

I am agreeing with her, some women will do this when an attractive women talks to their partner,

j don’t get the arguing about it, we all know it’s true.

TankFlyBossW4lk · Today 15:23

I have an incredibly beautiful friend. When I was first dating my DH years before we married, we went over to see her. He saw a photo of her first in the living room. He just said, "Omg, is that your friend, she is utterly stunning!"

Never once did I feel she was a threat. Nor did I feel awkward about him stating what are patently the facts. My relationships with both men and women are built on so much more than looks. I think I would have felt far more threatened if he'd said, "she's so witty and fun to be around. I am so drawn to her character."

Hth. Well done on being so beautiful though.

5128gap · Today 15:23

gotitsoiflauntit · Today 15:18

My point is that if such a pattern existed, to the extent OP claims, and for the reasons OP claims, then it would be a common experience amongst all attractive women.

How do you know it isn’t?

Because the thread isn't full of women agreeing with her, is it? I think it highly unlikely that everyone on the thread who doesn't agree isn't or had never been an attractive woman.
Also because we are none of us mind readers so have no way of knowing if another woman's attitude towards us is due to jealousy/insecurity. Its an assumption based on tropes that all women are secretly in competition for male attention.

Oliveoy · Today 15:29

Firesidechatter · Today 15:20

I just don’t see what some are seeing, I see the op saying some women, and she’s seen a pattern of it from her teens react hostile if she interacts with their partner,

I am agreeing with her, some women will do this when an attractive women talks to their partner,

j don’t get the arguing about it, we all know it’s true.

You keep saying incessantly that we all know it's true, everybody knows, every single person knows, etc etc.

I think the problem here is that you are looking at this through the lens of being a very attractive woman yourself, so other women naturally feel threatened when you talk to their partners. You're forgetting that many of us on this thread are of below average attractiveness and haven't experienced it.

Or at least, that's what you'd like other posters to think. Gaslighting indeed.

gurptinkerbell · Today 15:32

Ooh, I always love a Samantha Brick thread.

<gets popcorn>

Firesidechatter · Today 16:01

Oliveoy · Today 15:29

You keep saying incessantly that we all know it's true, everybody knows, every single person knows, etc etc.

I think the problem here is that you are looking at this through the lens of being a very attractive woman yourself, so other women naturally feel threatened when you talk to their partners. You're forgetting that many of us on this thread are of below average attractiveness and haven't experienced it.

Or at least, that's what you'd like other posters to think. Gaslighting indeed.

I stated up thread that I am a woman’s woman and predominantly talk to females in the couples, also for the reason I’m fully aware of the issues it can cause turning my attention to the male. so I personally don’t really get this as I am careful to avoid it,, but I have witnessed it with other women, I’ve seen it.

my nuance or view is different that it’s not about men, that some women compete with other women and will dislike them purely if they perceive them to be more attractive, before they even know them, due to jealousy or insecurity.

i assumed every woman knew this happened, and possibly im wrong on this and thats why posters are determined the op must be wrong and she’s just got a shit personality and is up her own arse.

im simply saying i have witnessed this and will back her up. It doesn’t mean she’s not got a shit personality, or she’s not up her own arse or that for her personally she’s indeed Samantha brick, I am saying there is some women who will be threatened if an attractive woman speaks to their partner, or do not react well if they are in the company of an attractive woman.

gotitsoiflauntit · Today 16:50

5128gap · Today 15:23

Because the thread isn't full of women agreeing with her, is it? I think it highly unlikely that everyone on the thread who doesn't agree isn't or had never been an attractive woman.
Also because we are none of us mind readers so have no way of knowing if another woman's attitude towards us is due to jealousy/insecurity. Its an assumption based on tropes that all women are secretly in competition for male attention.

That’s it? you can hardly draw any meaningful conclusions one way or the other based on your sample size and the fact that you cannot possibly know how attractive any of the respondents to this thread really are or have been,

5128gap · Today 17:01

gotitsoiflauntit · Today 16:50

That’s it? you can hardly draw any meaningful conclusions one way or the other based on your sample size and the fact that you cannot possibly know how attractive any of the respondents to this thread really are or have been,

You asked me how I knew it wasn't the experience of all attractive women. Unless you're seriously suggesting everyone who disagrees with the OP on the thread is unattractive, I think it demonstrates my point well.

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