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To think some women automatically see attractive women as a threat to their relationships?

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MyOpalTurtle · Today 07:09

I’ve noticed that when you’re considered an attractive woman, simply being around certain couples can create unnecessary tension. It’s almost as though some women assume you must be interested in their partner or that their partner must be interested in you, purely because of how you look. I’ve experienced this sort of thing since I was a teenager and I find it incredibly irritating.

I’ve never pursued another woman’s partner, never had an affair with someone else’s partner and never behaved in a way that would suggest I was interested. Yet sometimes it feels as though your mere presence is enough for people to make assumptions about your intentions.

AIBU to think it’s unfair to treat other women as potential threats simply because you find them attractive?

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Itsthewoluff · Today 08:34

How can it not be true? We all know a lot of men (not all) think with what’s in their trousers. I guess their partners will understandably be wary!

Calamitousness · Today 08:35

Don’t worry op. You’ll get older. Also that only tends to happen in new first time acquaintances. Go out of your way to be friendly and inclusive of all partners. There are ways to appear unthreatening even when you’re smoking. It’s all body language and you’re maybe not aware or f yours. Not that I’m saying it’s up to you. But you can stop this. Just how much you want to.

Nicknackpaddywack16 · Today 08:37

MyOpalTurtle · Today 07:09

I’ve noticed that when you’re considered an attractive woman, simply being around certain couples can create unnecessary tension. It’s almost as though some women assume you must be interested in their partner or that their partner must be interested in you, purely because of how you look. I’ve experienced this sort of thing since I was a teenager and I find it incredibly irritating.

I’ve never pursued another woman’s partner, never had an affair with someone else’s partner and never behaved in a way that would suggest I was interested. Yet sometimes it feels as though your mere presence is enough for people to make assumptions about your intentions.

AIBU to think it’s unfair to treat other women as potential threats simply because you find them attractive?

I agree with you OP. I'm not sure of the driving force exactly, it may be insecurity about the relationship itself or another person's looks...but the change is palpable when meeting some folk solo as compared to meeting them with their partners. Something akin to protectiveness kicks in even without having interest in their partner, whatsoever.
I don't even want mine half the time...why would I want yours? (said lightheartedly)😂

Cosyblankets · Today 08:41

anotherdayanotherissue · Today 07:29

I would say its insecurity. From my experience, given half the chance most men would go there if they could/wouldnt get caught….most women know this deep down, so keep other women who are deemed a threat as far away as poss.

I don't know any women who feel like this. I certainly don't.

SeeingClearlyNow · Today 08:45

OP writes that she is so goddam gawjus that her mere presence makes other woman feel ‘threatened’ and presents it as an opportunity to undermine those women for their insecurity.

The patriarchy lives. Yay.

angelasim · Today 08:46

That probably happens sometimes but why are you so invested in this question?

Katemax82 · Today 08:47

I noticed a strange hostility towards me from some women when I was slim and young (and attractive)
Luckily it went away after I had 3 more kids and morphed into an old frump

MyOpalTurtle · Today 08:48

Oliveoy · Today 08:33

Because considered attractive by whom?

It's a given that men you've been in relationships with will have found you attractive. Your mum and friends have probably paid you compliments. That's the same for everybody.

But how does one decide that they are attractive in a wider sense, to more people? That speaks to a certain level of self assurance which perhaps makes people wary in general.

I don’t think recognising that you’re attractive requires some extraordinary level of self-assurance. People form impressions of their own appearance through a combination of social interactions, feedback and how they’re generally perceived by others. It’s not necessarily limited to compliments from partners, family or friends. I’m also not sure why being aware of one’s attractiveness should automatically be interpreted as a personality trait that makes others wary.

There’s a difference between being self-assured and behaving arrogantly or unpleasantly towards people. The former doesn’t necessarily imply the latter.

What I find interesting is that rather than discussing whether attractiveness can influence social dynamics, the conversation keeps returning to whether a woman should acknowledge her own attractiveness in the first place. Would you question someone who described themselves as intelligent, articulate or conventionally successful in quite the same way?

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Cosyblankets · Today 08:51

ItsAQuandryAlright · Today 08:34

If you asked the women from WAYS (Widowed and Young) I think most of them would agree with you OP. I have 2 friends who were widowed young, and both have described how the 'couple' ranks close and the invitations dry up. Same happened to my own mother - an attractive woman widowed at 36. She was seen as a threat by various women in our community and some of the rumours they spread about her were awful. I was very young, but even I could see what was happening.

I was widowed at 40
My couple friends couldn't have been more welcoming if they tried.

JasmineMac · Today 08:54

My career (healthcare) allowed me to be in the company of people from lots of different demographics, and this particular behaviour was often present in people (both male and female) of low intelligence. Fights, often online, over stealing each others partners was commonplace, and it did not reflect attractiveness 😂
It's not something i've encountered in my social circles, even when stunningly attractive people are present.

MyOpalTurtle · Today 08:54

Calamitousness · Today 08:35

Don’t worry op. You’ll get older. Also that only tends to happen in new first time acquaintances. Go out of your way to be friendly and inclusive of all partners. There are ways to appear unthreatening even when you’re smoking. It’s all body language and you’re maybe not aware or f yours. Not that I’m saying it’s up to you. But you can stop this. Just how much you want to.

I appreciate what you’re saying and I think that being friendly and inclusive towards both partners is important. That’s how I approach social interactions generally, regardless of whether someone is in a relationship.

However, I do question the idea that women should have to consciously adjust their body language or make themselves appear less threatening simply because they’re considered attractive. Surely there’s a distinction between being socially considerate and feeling responsible for managing someone else’s perceptions or insecurities?

I also don’t think this is necessarily something that disappears with age. Jealousy and insecurity aren’t exclusively confined to younger people and attractiveness doesn’t suddenly cease to be relevant once someone reaches a certain age.

Ultimately, I think women should be able to interact naturally with other people without feeling obliged to demonstrate that they aren’t interested in someone else’s partner.

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Firesidechatter · Today 09:00

I’ve said you’re not unreasonable but I also see it as more nuanced. I dont think it’s about the men.

i think some women feel threatened and immediately dislike women they perceive as attractive or more attractive than them.

Some Women compete with other women, they compare themselves, or they have their own hang ups about their looks or body, and if they see a woman they perceive as not having these issues, great hair, fit body, pretty face etc, it makes them jealous. Some of them want to attack the other women, verbally or physically,

jealousy, insecurity, are signficant issues for some, so I don’t think it’s about the men, or feeling you are after their partner, I think it’s a much wider and more nuanced issue.

I first experienced it as a young teen, a girl at school assaulted me and scratched my face up, very badly, the guidance teacher and head master said it was jealousy, i heard them say it to my parents, the guidance teacher said it to my face, I couldn’t understand why anyone would be jealous of me, I was the poor kid whose parents abused her, not that anyone knew that, but I knew that, so why would anyone be jealous of me, my life was shit.

it wasn’t until I was older, I understood, why rhe teachers had seen she’d clawed my face and assumed jealousy, we’ve also seen sporadic media reports of adult women who have done similar,

and I’ve had bitchy comments from women all my life, not my friends or family, but random women I don’t know, bitchy comments as I’ve passed them by,

generally though I talk to the women first, and I talk to them predominantly, so few think I’m after their blokes, or their blokes stand a chance.

curiously I now get a lot of compliments from younger women, admiring looks from them, compliments on my hair, clothes etc , women I don’t know, but seldom to never women my age.

women can be other women’s biggest supporter, I’m a woman’s woman, but there is no way round the fact, women can also be other women’s biggest enemy,

5128gap · Today 09:00

MyOpalTurtle · Today 08:18

I think there’s some truth in what you’re saying about relationship dynamics, particularly where a man has a history of behaving inappropriately towards other women. In those circumstances, I can understand why his partner might feel insecure or uncomfortable.

However, I think there’s an important difference between recognising that someone’s partner may be untrustworthy and assuming that another woman is somehow complicit in that dynamic simply because she’s attractive.

I also wouldn’t necessarily agree that an attractive woman interpreting another woman’s behaviour as jealousy means she’s seeking male validation or misreading the situation to flatter herself. That may happen in some cases but it isn’t the only possible explanation.

As for your suggestion about focusing more on women than men when socialising with couples, I understand the reasoning but I do question why women should have to consciously modify otherwise perfectly innocent interactions to accommodate someone else’s relationship insecurities.

Surely the healthier approach is for people to establish trust and boundaries within their own relationships rather than expecting third parties to manage those dynamics for them?

My suggestion was made purely as a pragmatic way to help you navigate the situations you say you don't like. It's all well and good saying how other women should be better, more trusting, sort their relationships out to spare you, but given you have no control over that, all you can do is manage the interaction.
After all, we are presumably talking about fairly superficial social situations with no long term investment on any side. So you don't really need to dwell too hard, simply be more comfortable in the moment.
Its not that hard to pay a woman more attention than her husband.

Slightyamusedandsilly · Today 09:02

NestofVapers · Today 07:15

Sounds like a load of patriarchal bollocks to me. I've never seen another woman,.no matter how attractive, as a threat to my relationship because my husband isn't a pervy creep.

Perhaps if you have lived your life very conscious of your good looks, it's you who sees other women as threatening and therefore you read things into situations that simply aren't there?

Definitely this. You're not the threat. The man is untrustworthy. Don't flatter yourself it's because you're so pretty/sexy. Men that that will shag a hole in the wall.

JasmineMac · Today 09:02

MyOpalTurtle · Today 08:48

I don’t think recognising that you’re attractive requires some extraordinary level of self-assurance. People form impressions of their own appearance through a combination of social interactions, feedback and how they’re generally perceived by others. It’s not necessarily limited to compliments from partners, family or friends. I’m also not sure why being aware of one’s attractiveness should automatically be interpreted as a personality trait that makes others wary.

There’s a difference between being self-assured and behaving arrogantly or unpleasantly towards people. The former doesn’t necessarily imply the latter.

What I find interesting is that rather than discussing whether attractiveness can influence social dynamics, the conversation keeps returning to whether a woman should acknowledge her own attractiveness in the first place. Would you question someone who described themselves as intelligent, articulate or conventionally successful in quite the same way?

I think the crux is that people modestly would not describe themselves thus (ie proclaim "I'm successful" / "I'm intelligent"). Indeed people who would/do, generally aren't 😉😂

Oliveoy · Today 09:02

MyOpalTurtle · Today 08:48

I don’t think recognising that you’re attractive requires some extraordinary level of self-assurance. People form impressions of their own appearance through a combination of social interactions, feedback and how they’re generally perceived by others. It’s not necessarily limited to compliments from partners, family or friends. I’m also not sure why being aware of one’s attractiveness should automatically be interpreted as a personality trait that makes others wary.

There’s a difference between being self-assured and behaving arrogantly or unpleasantly towards people. The former doesn’t necessarily imply the latter.

What I find interesting is that rather than discussing whether attractiveness can influence social dynamics, the conversation keeps returning to whether a woman should acknowledge her own attractiveness in the first place. Would you question someone who described themselves as intelligent, articulate or conventionally successful in quite the same way?

But again, when you talk about acknowledging your own attractiveness, you're assuming that it's a given. Physical attractiveness is far more subjective than intelligence or success.

LeedsLoiner · Today 09:03

Is this what the young people call a "humblebrag" ?

Lexibletheflexible · Today 09:05

Oliveoy · Today 09:02

But again, when you talk about acknowledging your own attractiveness, you're assuming that it's a given. Physical attractiveness is far more subjective than intelligence or success.

Have you ever heard of the term "conventionally attractive"?

Brad Pitt is/was conventionally attractive. Doesn't mean we all fancy him but it would be silly to say he's an ugly man (on the outside). I think Brad knows he is conventionally attractive.

MyOpalTurtle · Today 09:07

JasmineMac · Today 09:02

I think the crux is that people modestly would not describe themselves thus (ie proclaim "I'm successful" / "I'm intelligent"). Indeed people who would/do, generally aren't 😉😂

I think you’re conflating modesty with self-deprecation. They’re not necessarily the same thing.

Someone can recognise that they’re intelligent, successful or attractive without believing they’re superior to everyone else or feeling the need to constantly advertise those qualities. Modesty is arguably more about how you conduct yourself and treat other people than whether you’re willing to acknowledge your own attributes.

And the suggestion that people who recognise their own positive qualities generally don’t possess them seems rather contradictory. Surely self-awareness and humility aren’t mutually exclusive?

I find it interesting that simply acknowledging a positive attribute is sometimes interpreted as evidence of arrogance, regardless of how the person actually behaves.

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Firesidechatter · Today 09:09

Slightyamusedandsilly · Today 09:02

Definitely this. You're not the threat. The man is untrustworthy. Don't flatter yourself it's because you're so pretty/sexy. Men that that will shag a hole in the wall.

This is quite bitchy, I’m sure the op is attractive, why the need to attack and pull her down as she’s honest about it,

JasmineMac · Today 09:10

LeedsLoiner · Today 09:03

Is this what the young people call a "humblebrag" ?

Here in Scotland, we've always called such types a 'blaw' 😂 Short/vernacular term for blowhard.

Cosyblankets · Today 09:11

Firesidechatter · Today 09:09

This is quite bitchy, I’m sure the op is attractive, why the need to attack and pull her down as she’s honest about it,

Because just because there's an attractive woman in the room it doesn't mean every man wants her and every married woman is threatened by her

ItsAQuandryAlright · Today 09:11

Cosyblankets · Today 08:51

I was widowed at 40
My couple friends couldn't have been more welcoming if they tried.

Well that's lovely for you, and I'm pleased to hear it, but not the experience of my friends who were both very hurt at how they were treated.

Cosyblankets · Today 09:12

ItsAQuandryAlright · Today 09:11

Well that's lovely for you, and I'm pleased to hear it, but not the experience of my friends who were both very hurt at how they were treated.

She clearly needs better friends. I hope she moved on from them

gannett · Today 09:12

Some PEOPLE just see everyone else as competition. And some PEOPLE find self-validation in how successfully they perform gendered roles and thus the competition is always through a gendered lens.

I said people because yes, this happens among women but it also obviously happens among men as well. Have you never witnessed straight men when another man who's obviously very attractive enters the room?

Anyway, these people are extremely tiresome (and especially stupid too, in the case of the ones who validate themselves by how much of a man/woman they are) and the good news is that while I've certainly encountered them they're very much in the minority in my life. Find normal nice people to be friends with, problem solved.

(However I do find this funny in retrospect - in my 20s I wasn't that secure about my looks, I was scrawny and a bit alien looking. Looking back on old photos I was obviously youthful and gorgeous, just had no idea. I spent a long time wondering why certain older women kept giving me dirty looks. It didn't occur to me that they thought I was hot, because I didn't consider myself hot... the penny only dropped when I started reading MN, where some of the toxic gendered competition attitudes are alarmingly common)

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