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Lib Dems actively deterring GC women

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere Thu 07-Nov-19 13:48:12

Today I emailed the Lib Dems expressing an interest in joining their party.

I stated no one should receive discrimination or abuse for their transgender status but explained that I am GC and I asked if there was room for GC women in the party.

I received the following response:
Thank you for getting in touch. Whilst we appreciate your interest in joining, you should be aware that the Liberal Democrats are a trans inclusive party, and we have made it clear that we fully behind trans communities. As liberals we champion everyone’s right to live the life they want. By the sounds of your email it appears that your values are not aligned with ours so we are probably not the right the party for you.

I am flabbergasted. I didn't expect that I would have to believe that humans can change biological sex in order to be a member of the Lib Dems.

I am so disappointed. I was going to vote for them in the GE (passionate Remainer) but I cannot if this is their response.

There is no one to vote for. I am lost.

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BlazeAway Thu 07-Nov-19 13:51:27

Why are the Diversity Team replying to membership queries?

I suspect other sections of the party won't like that they're telling people they're not welcome!

AlwaysTawnyOwl Thu 07-Nov-19 13:51:52

Mental

AlwaysTawnyOwl Thu 07-Nov-19 13:52:54

It’s so frustrating that they repeat woke mantras but seem unable to think through the issues.

SarahTancredi Thu 07-Nov-19 13:54:14

Bloody hell.

At no point did you state you were aiming to upset discriminate or actively exclude trans people.

So they expect everyone to seriously believe that people can change sex and nothing more will do?

DontBuyANewMumCashmere Thu 07-Nov-19 13:55:27

Blaze I was knee deep in the website and there was a link to ask about joining so I just emailed this address.

I wonder what I'd get if I emailed the main membership / funding address?

I genuinely cannot believe they would turn away paying members before the GE for this.

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stillathing Thu 07-Nov-19 13:55:34

I'd love the press to pick this up. I wonder if all their existing members realise this?

ErrolTheDragon Thu 07-Nov-19 14:00:09

* As liberals we champion everyone’s right to live the life they want.*

Except women wanting to retain protections for our sex. Except for women in sports. Except ....(add your own)

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz Thu 07-Nov-19 14:01:35

Jesus Christ. I'm appalled and fascinated in equal measures that at this time in particular someone would be so fucking stupid frank as to state that in print.

I've been following the thread about whether we should use sex based rights as our core criteria when voting next month. I've felt torn on the issue myself and still do as this is so so important.

Whilst I ponder however there is something about the sheer arrogance of that letter that makes me disregard them entirely now. I would bloody love a canvasser to knock on my door so I can discuss with him/her. And still not vote for them.

TinselAngel Thu 07-Nov-19 14:04:37

Given this:

Trans Widows, the Liberal Democrats and the Spousal "Veto"
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3717872-Trans-Widows-the-Liberal-Democrats-and-the-Spousal-Veto

I'm not surprised. However it seems breathtakingly arrogant that they think they can be so picky considering how few MP's they have.

LoveCompost Thu 07-Nov-19 14:16:03

Talk about shooting oneself in the foot ! So if I as a woman who believes the Referendum result should be respected , and believes that women are born not worn - am unwelcome ?

sarahjconnor Thu 07-Nov-19 14:17:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Joisanofthedales Thu 07-Nov-19 14:24:33

I now live in a seat where it will be between the conservatives and the lib dems. I have never voted in my life for the Tories but this time, holding my nose, I will. I cannot allow in a really anti women party like the lib dems.

RubyViolet Thu 07-Nov-19 14:27:31

Oops ! Hope that makes the press. This will be enough to turn the Lib Dem protest voters off in my family. They live in one of the marginal Lib Dem seats and are very much gender critical.

PaleBlueMoonlight Thu 07-Nov-19 14:27:31

Have you replied? You really should. From that email it appears that they think that you can change biological sex.

MockersthefeMANist Thu 07-Nov-19 14:29:54

What is a "Trans Community"?

Is it like Poundbury?

EndoplasmicReticulum Thu 07-Nov-19 14:30:12

Joisan am inclined to agree. Never thought in a million years I'd consider voting for Conservatives yet here we are. Waiting to hear back from my local Lib Dem candidate after emailing yesterday with WPUK questions.

stillathing Thu 07-Nov-19 14:31:32

Have you replied? You really should. From that email it appears that they think that you can change biological sex.

Appears they're staffed by clownsfish

Loopytiles Thu 07-Nov-19 14:34:39

Parties’ apparent inability to acknowledge that sometimes different groups of people have interests that are in conflict and come up with a considered policy response suggests poor policy making practice.

Loopytiles Thu 07-Nov-19 14:38:23

“we champion everyone’s right to live the life they want.”

Impossible to give everyone what they want, on many issues! I and many other girls and women (and men) want single sex facilities, services and sports. That is in direct conflict with some people want, who want anyone to be able to access/participate in previously single sex girls and womens’ facilities, services and sports.

“By the sounds of your email it appears that your values are not aligned with ours”

What values? Giving everyone what they want? Prioritising some trans people and mens’ wants over others’ wants?

DontBuyANewMumCashmere Thu 07-Nov-19 14:45:59

I've forwarded it to the main membership email address asking if they don't want my money or vote, and I've also asked the Labour Party and the Tories too. envy

I think at this stage I will vote for anyone who can define 'woman' without including men and using insulting stereotypes. sad

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria Thu 07-Nov-19 14:47:46

Make it stop. Someone has to make sense in the political sphere!

TinselAngel Thu 07-Nov-19 14:47:57

I think at this stage I will vote for anyone who can define 'woman' without including men and using insulting stereotypes.

Do tell us who this party are, if you find them!

andyoldlabour Thu 07-Nov-19 14:57:58

By the sound of that email, it would appear that the values which the Liberal Democrats align with, are not compatible with the values of women - adult human females.
Such a pity they consider gender theory more important than the views of 50% of the population.

Loopytiles Thu 07-Nov-19 14:59:39

All the parties are shit on this though, right?

I care very much about the risks to single sex facilities, services etc, but not more than other political matters such as Brexit and austerity.

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