Lib Dems actively deterring GC women

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Today I emailed the Lib Dems expressing an interest in joining their party.

I stated no one should receive discrimination or abuse for their transgender status but explained that I am GC and I asked if there was room for GC women in the party.

I received the following response:
Thank you for getting in touch. Whilst we appreciate your interest in joining, you should be aware that the Liberal Democrats are a trans inclusive party, and we have made it clear that we fully behind trans communities. As liberals we champion everyone’s right to live the life they want. By the sounds of your email it appears that your values are not aligned with ours so we are probably not the right the party for you.

I am flabbergasted. I didn't expect that I would have to believe that humans can change biological sex in order to be a member of the Lib Dems.

I am so disappointed. I was going to vote for them in the GE (passionate Remainer) but I cannot if this is their response.

There is no one to vote for. I am lost.

I now live in a seat where it will be between the conservatives and the lib dems. I have never voted in my life for the Tories but this time, holding my nose, I will. I cannot allow in a really anti women party like the lib dems

No don't vote Tory - just spoil your ballot stating the reasons why.

Have we any party members here who fancy emailing asking if as GC women and feminists they’re still welcome?

Not very diverse, then...

I care very much about the risks to single sex facilities, services etc, but not more than other political matters such as Brexit and austerity

You see, I do care more about 'the woman issue' - because for me it is a FIRST ORDER issue in its magnitude and implication; far more so than Brexit or even the NHS. This is not 'just' about public toilets; it is far more profound than that.

The Lib Dems went massively downhill in my opinion when I found that Layla Moran has a conviction for DV that the party tried to cover up as they thought she was a rising star - the assault actually happened at at Lib Dem conference! If they'll cover up DV what else will they cover up?

Joisan am inclined to agree. Never thought in a million years I'd consider voting for Conservatives yet here we are. Waiting to hear back from my local Lib Dem candidate after emailing yesterday with WPUK

You really don't have to do anything as drastic as vote Tory. I know it is difficult when you really want to vote, but do consider spoiling your paper - and stating the reasons why. also make sure you tell all political canvassers why you intend to do this.

Does anyone have any idea of the direction of travel in the EU as regards gender/sex/self i. d? If they are going/gone down the rabbit hole, I think I'd rather leave. More chance of influencing a national government than the entire EU.

Despite all this crap, I still don’t think Lib Dems are necessarily any worse for women than Labour or the Tories

Even when they are actively deterring GC women from joining or voting for them......really? This is not the first time this has cropped up with them. Lynne Featherstone said the exact same thing. Lots of young Lib-Dem councillors have tweeted some pretty horrendous anti-woman stuff too.

From another thread. Please don’t vote Tory as a protest! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-50322512

I used to really like the LibDems.

They seem to have rather overestimated themselves recently, though.

Does anyone have any idea of the direction of travel in the EU as regards gender/sex/self i. d? If they are going/gone down the rabbit hole, I think I'd rather leave. More chance of influencing a national government than the entire EU

I think we need to accept that this is a longer term political movement - and that things may well get worse before the ship is finally turned around. I firmly believe this will happen with time...maybe 10/15 years when the detransitioners have told their stories; the children have sued health services, and others, for permitting them to make these sorts of decisions; when the implications of men in women's facilities really starts to be felt by most women; and when men win more women's sporting events.....

I cannot vote for anyone unless they are clear in their support for women and women's spaces and services. Thus far, none of the parties are - so I cannot vote for any of them....no matter how much other issues concern me.

I used to really like the LibDems. They seem to have rather overestimated themselves recently, though

Joe Swinson doesn't convince either. She's mainly in role because she's young'ish and female.

Slow hand clap for the LDs.

Probably would have had my vote.

This, is the final straw in a long personal saga.

Do they not realise there is an election?

A general election is coming up. Tell your friends about this email!

Does anyone have any idea of the direction of travel in the EU as regards gender/sex/self i. d?

It varies. Some small countries (Ireland, Malta, Denmark) have gone the whole self-ID route. At the other end of the scale, some countries require genital surgery before allowing a change of legal sex. I think there may still be a few countries where it's not possible to change legal sex. Many have laws similar to the current one in the UK.

So far, the laws have only gone in one direction.

All 4 major parties and UKIP plan to abolish The Equality Act and remove women's rights.
Tell me again how its us who are aligned with the Right.

Despite all this crap, I still don’t think Lib Dems are necessarily any worse for women than Labour or the Tories.

On the basis that they've declined OP's money I would say they are. They just made TWAW more important than her view on Brexit, NHS, homelessness, the economy etc. Exposed as a one trick pony party unwilling to agree on some policies and able to respectfully disagree on others.

Inebriati “All 4 major parties and UKIP plan to abolish The Equality Act and remove women's rights“

Bit confused by this.

Curiously, their constitution omits prejudice based on gender identity or reassignment from their list of unacceptable prejudices.

What would the response be if this email was sent to the other parties? It'd be worth trying it.

I was told essentially the same thing when I cancelled my Green Party membership. Our local Green candidate this time is a doctor and I’m very interested to know if they think humans can change sex! Our last candidate was publicly GC (possibly why not reselected?!) so I still voted for him.

On the basis that they've declined OP's money I would say they are. They just made TWAW more important than her view on Brexit, NHS, homelessness, the economy etc. Exposed as a one trick pony party unwilling to agree on some policies and able to respectfully disagree on others.

Nail. Head.

They'd rather be ideologically pure on this issue than have someone who otherwise would support their position on other issues.

This means that they are not serious about stopping Brexit. They would rather lose crucial votes that might help to do that, than see the sexism and discuss the removal of women's rights that replacing sex with gender creates.

With that attitude all they are is ideological puritans not a political force that balances the concerns and problems of the population as a whole.

This is top down authoritarian evangelism which you have to subscribe to rather than participate in.

They only want people in their own image, not people who might have a valid concern or interest which should be considered.

My choice is not just Tory Vs lib Dems, it's Jacob Rees Mogg Vs lib Dems . I can't do it. Either way.

Karwomannaghia.

This is truly shocking. I’m sure if most people were aware of this - and fully aware of implications, they would not vote Lib Dem. But I’m not sure any of the main parties are any different. I am in a total dither about who to vote for.