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190cm, 100kg size 15 feet transwoman tries to join women's Aussie Rules football

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pisacake Fri 13-Oct-17 15:53:42

www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/transgender-footballer-hannah-mouncey-waits-on-aflw-draft-call/news-story/123a463e71aa3c4b9bbd634724ce8f75

Hannah Mouncey wants to join the Australian Football League (this is basically rugby) Women's division.
"Mouncey played the final three games in the ruck for Ainslie and kicked 15 goals, with Canberra officials ruling she was not a safety concern."

this despite the fact
"one [female] player broke her leg in a tangle of legs with Mouncey."

Mouncey says:
“I am female like 50 per cent of the population. I may have been born a bit different but there was a real sense of normality when I transitioned,” she said.

The average MALE AFL player is 188cm and 88kg, so Hannah is both taller and heavier, and if admitted will both the tallest and heaviest player in the entire league.

Hannah was previously on the Australian MALE Olympic handball team as Callum Mouncey.

ladyballs Fri 13-Oct-17 15:57:38

Oh ffs.

AssassinatedBeauty Fri 13-Oct-17 16:00:25

That's 6ft 3 and 15st 10lbs if you prefer.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar Fri 13-Oct-17 16:00:40

Born a BIT different? You ain’t kidding...

PricklyBall Fri 13-Oct-17 16:00:57

So - 6'4", 220lbs i.e. 15st 10lbs...

Yup, that's totally fair. Can't see why anyone's worried hmm

That poor, poor woman who had her leg broken.

BelligerentGardenPixies Fri 13-Oct-17 16:01:29

Not a safety concern?! Are they high?

Adviceplease360 Fri 13-Oct-17 16:02:41

Broke someone's leg! Surely he won't be allowed to play with women

AssassinatedBeauty Fri 13-Oct-17 16:02:50

I'd guess there would be a fair few missed tackles if playing against Mouncey, as I'd rather do that than risk serious injury. As a result whichever team plays Mouncey will no doubt experience a sudden uprise in form.

pisacake Fri 13-Oct-17 16:03:06

There's a reasonable summary here (some bad language etc): www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAKS6LM_5Ig

PricklyBall Fri 13-Oct-17 16:03:25

And born a bit different??? FFS, this is what makes me so angry. The complete fucking denial of basic biology.

PricklyBall Fri 13-Oct-17 16:08:51

"Broke someone's leg! Surely he won't be allowed to play with women"

It was a woman's leg. He's already allowed to play against women in the amateur game. The only question up for grabs is apparently whether he should be allowed to play against women as a professional.

pisacake Fri 13-Oct-17 16:10:21

I don't think there is much doubt that he will be allowed to play.

Mide7 Fri 13-Oct-17 16:12:51

Whatever you think about what sex she should be playing with, I always think the reports of a broke leg are disingenuous. People break bones in sport all of the type against their own sex.

Same with the fallon fox stuff, yes she beat her opponent to a pulp but isn’t that point of MMA. It happens all the time in same sex sport.

pisacake Fri 13-Oct-17 16:13:35

He nearly played for the women's handball team but they said

(a) he's not within the 12 month (yes, that's all it takes to overcome 25 years of being a bloke) transition period by a matter of weeks
(b) they could bend the rules but they wouldn't be insured and besides which he's ridiculously huge and it would not be safe

So essentially it's not safe but they would have to ignore that IF he complied with the simple 12 month transition period, but as it was it was 11 months so they were able to tell him to get lost.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hannah-mouncey-trans-handball-player-sidelined-over-height-fears/news-story/ed49c42c1314d797427a9218c578b1ae

pisacake Fri 13-Oct-17 16:16:00

He describes himself as "a 6"2 transgender lesbian"

WiIdfire Fri 13-Oct-17 16:16:06

I'm 184cm, 116kg, size 10 feet.

I'm a woman.

Should I not be allowed to play on a womans team based on my size?

juneau Fri 13-Oct-17 16:16:47

This kind of thing makes me so fucking angry. How this person chooses to dress and present themselves to the world is one thing and if he wants to dress and live as a woman - fine - but he should not be able to play women's sport. It's not fair on anyone. He will injure the other players and his side will have a massively unfair advantage in having a huge great bloke on their team.

morningrunner Fri 13-Oct-17 16:18:08

Mide fuck off you disingenuous twat

pisacake Fri 13-Oct-17 16:19:08

You should be allowed to play on a woman's team if you are a woman. That is not particularly complicated.

The fact is he is not a woman, so the discussion of his size and strength and weight, which are merely average for male elite athletes, but 1 in a billion for female athletes, are pertinent.

morningrunner Fri 13-Oct-17 16:20:26

Assuming that my last post will be deleted

Mide if you think that this person's right to "gender expression" is more important than fairness in women's sport, never mind the safety of the 29? women on the pitch, then you have slid from bog standard sexism to rank misogyny.

PricklyBall Fri 13-Oct-17 16:22:39

Out of interest, Mide, Wildfire, have you ever played a contact sport against blokes? I have. Only football, not rugby. And only with mates who were not going in hard deliberately. But even so I've had accidental knocks from blokes the size of the man described here. I went flying. There is no comparison to the physicality of even a larger-than-average stronger-than-average woman. It isn't even in the same ball park.

busyboysmum Fri 13-Oct-17 16:23:17

It's completely unfair for the opposing team. I guess the team he wants to join are more relaxed about it as they will have the advantage.

Really it's up to women in sports to speak out about these kind of things. I can't really understand why more women are not doing it. I suppose it's similar to why all the actresses did not speak out about the sex abuse that was happening in Hollywood. They all hated the fact that it was happening but felt it would damage their careers if they spoke out about it.

pisacake Fri 13-Oct-17 16:23:29

What he said when wanting to ignore the qualification rules to play women's handball:

"In six months I’ll still be 6ft 2in and big and nothing will have changed. Anyone who thinks I have an unfair advantage is wrong, being tall means I have extra weight to carry and can’t run as fast as the girls."

LOL wot? Does he realise that Usain Bolt is 1.94m and 94kg? And that men are MUCH faster at sprinting than women?

morningrunner Fri 13-Oct-17 16:28:43

Prickly I would not assume that Mide or Wildfire are 'ciswoman'.

I mean women

WiIdfire Fri 13-Oct-17 16:34:56

I am a ciswoman, as it happens. Just a very big one.

I take your point, Prickly, that the build of a man and woman are not the same, even if they are the same size. However, the point in the OP was about her size. Where would you draw the line? Would a short, petite, trans-woman be allowed on the team? Should there be an upper size limit on cis-women participants? What about trans-women who transitioned as teens so have a typically 'female' build? Should they play on mens teams?

It just isn't as straightforward that.

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